LIVING IN BOOTLE...THEN AND NOW.

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Ernie Jackson. (Bunty)
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:58 am

I wondered why there is little interest and few responses on the site so tried the following contentious post on Facebook 'Are You From Bootle'.

The post has received 124 responses in 24 hours and a follow up post, just an hour ago, is also being inundated.

Responses from incumbent Bootlians are in direct contrast to those who have moved away.

I wonder if it will get any response here.


Am I from Bootle. Yes.

My employers transferred me 50 miles out of Bootle in my twenties and I was devastated. It was the worst time ever as I thought Bootle was the be all and end all. I was engaged to a girl from Litherland and soon to be married.

After my transfer the engagement ended.

Looking back I realise it was the best thing that ever happened to me in every respect . I am still from Bootle but so glad that I am not IN Bootle.
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:00 am

Hi Ernie,

I don't think the title of your post helped with replies here - I wasn't even sure what the word 'Contentious' meant until I googled it and it means - likely to cause disagreement or argument.
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:29 am

Sorry about that Mack. Altered accordingly.

I wanted to inject some interest and a good debate so thought that subject might do the job. I have now received over 150 responses on the other site and the debate has been excellent. Maybe because it didn't have a title.

Half of the replies were from folk still living in Bootle who generally thought I was out of order.

Only one of the other half said they had left but wanted to go back. The debate goes on as more responses arrive by the day.

I was disappointed in the lack of interest in this thread and had decided to refrain from any other input but you may have come up with the reason. Let's see what a more understandable title does. There may even be a debate on appropriate titles?

I would have thought that folk who didn't understand would have followed your lead and checked on Google.
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:19 am

Ernie

Look at your original post on this thread and you'll see a pencil icon in top right.
Click that to edit the post and you can amend the title yourself.
Apologies if i'm teaching granny to suck eggs here but hope this is helpful.

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Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:36 am

Thanks Bern. Always open to learn something. Changed it so hopefully there will be some response.
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:38 am

3 icons to the left of your profile pic - the leftmost of the 3??
Born and raised in Romeo Street, later Lambeth Walk, Jersey Close, Garden Place, Hawthorne Rd, Gonville Rd now Netherton
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:40 am

Done. Also amended my last query but too late as you had already addressed it. Thanks again.

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:D :D :D
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:07 pm

Ernie, it's looking very unlikely that you will get 150 responses here but at least you now know how to amend a post :lol:
Even under the title of "Contentious" I found your lead post derogatory to the people of Bootle and anybody who loves the town and I question why would you post such a remark.
Fact is, you will never know if your life would had been better or more successful than it turned out had you had stayed in your home town.
I'm not saying you shouldn't have left, good on you for having what you portray as having a comfortable lifestyle.
But to put people down who live in the town by saying "glad that I am not in Bootle" is to me anyway not that nice, but then I am a bit touchy.

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Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:05 pm

.....and further, that Bootle is loved by those who live there.
From the Bootle Action Group.

As today is Derby Parks 125th birthday, I penned a poem at 8am this morning, and it was finished at 8:10am 😁 This is also for Barbara Rouse who does a lot in and for the park...

Happy 125th birthday to Derby Park
To the birds, bees and the shedding tree bark

To the benches, paths and grand bandstand
To the squirrels that leap and softly land

To the lodge and the ornate gates
To the playground that was once a lake

To the jewel in Bootle's industrious crown
To the leaves on the trees all golden and brown

To the rose garden with her heavenly scent
To the Laburnum trees all yellow and bent

To Duchess Barbara for all that you do
To Green Sefton and all volunteers too

For keeping our park all tidy and clean
A lung in Bootle all lovely and green


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Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:39 pm

Beautiful tribute to the people of Bootle, I love it 😊
Shakespeare himself couldn’t have made a better job if it.
Well done Keith, and well done to those wonderful volunteers 👍

Happy childhood memories of hours spent playing in Derby Park.
Let’s hope that lovely old park continues to flourish for many years to come 😊
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:50 pm

Great reaction and comment Keith.
I am known as being blunt and saying what it is. I was forced to leave Bootle and, at the time, in that moment, it was a personal disaster. I look back and wonder where would I be if that hadn’t happened. in that pivotal moment. Simple answer is that I would not be a docker still living in a terraced. I would be dead. Different widow and different kids.

My heart attack would have happened at the same time but I would depend on NHS. This time, when it happened to me, I was admitted under NHS conditions and advised by the ward nurse that there were no Coronery Specialists available and, if I transferred at once to a private facility it might keep me alive. I took her advice and am here, 24 years later, to tell, and write of, the tale.
Your life, as with all of us, has changed and you have worked hard to progress to a comfortable life.

You don’t relate that as it might offend folk who still live there.

My point was to perhaps motivate somebody, not to derogate.

Finally. You also have worked hard and created a comfortable life for you and yours. Childhood memories are a reason why we are on this site but....Would YOU move back.?
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:56 pm

A SNOB and no getting away with words like that
SHAME :( A bit like Ringo)
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:02 pm

Great reaction Henry. So good to see you are still looking in. Might seem a snob to you but not to folk who really know me.I do value and care about you and always enjoy your input.
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:09 pm

Thank you for your kind words
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:32 pm

:wink:
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:07 pm

Ernie; I glanced at the original title, that was it, not looking for anymore bother :roll:

Can’t speak for those living in Bootle today, but as a child, couldn’t have wished for a better place to grow up.
Children had all they needed, each other 😊 we knew every neighbour in the street, and every child in the vicinity, everyone so friendly.
Organised trips to Morecambe or Frodsham, our annual treat. kids turning up from everywhere, happy days.

Bootle, back then (looking through the eyes of nostalgia) ...perfect :D
Bootle Now, different times, would like to think that some things never change!

As for Facebook, good for catching up, exchanging views etc, but I tend to avoid whenever possible,
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Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:54 pm

Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:50 pm
Would YOU move back.?
I'm afraid I wouldn't move back, my way of life is a lot quieter at home, my house and car insurance are a fraction of what they were. My adopted family are my world ( even more than my blood relatives who I haven't spoken to for 20 years) my day job is a lot less stressful than it would be if I was doing the same job down there. I have some of the planets most stunning scenery on my doorstep. As I still live in a housing association property on a council estate, I can't be accused of being a snob. 👍 One of my patrol partners is from Huyton, he visited relatives before lockdown, he came back in shock vowing never to return back there!
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Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:59 pm

Have to agree with Shelagh, I had the most wonderful childhood would not want to change a single moment of it and
never gave a second thought about wanting to live anywhere else. Loved my family & friends , never a dull moment always
something going on. On the other hand, as we were growing up my eldest brother couldn't wait to "Spread his wings" and
move away, everyone is different with their own agenda. I know I would in all probability still be there if fate hadn't intervened
and I hadn't unexpectedly met Lew at a girlfriend's 21st Birthday party. I had been dating a nice chap for over a year from
Bootle whom my parents really loved but fate had other things in store for me!! Such is life!!!!
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I left Bootle to go to university in Birmingham. I never came back. That is what often happens when youngsters leave to uni. My 3 children never returned to Rugby, where I brought up the family. My brother never returned to Bootle either. It is not a put down on Bootle, but what happens when kids grow up and there horizons expand. My family in Bootle died so there was little reason to go back even for a visit. My life now is completely different. Mt pets include a donkey, mini Shetland pony and a goat!! Radnor drive would not be ready for me and my entourage.
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Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:22 pm

Nice to see some varying views although some of those reminiscing of our wonderful times (and they were) as kids failed to mention whether they would want to go back, or indeed, why they left in the first place.

I agree 100% that our childhood was wonderful and, like other BB's, created fantastic memories.

I was compelled to leave Bootle and didn't want to leave. I found since that I was LUCKY to have been forced out through my job. I had no choice as I was otherwise totally unskilled, uneducated and penniless and it was a job with a future that I couldn't consider leaving.

I have been called a snob because I wrote I wouldn't go back. At no time have I demeaned my fellow BB's who still live there. Is anyone else a snob if they don't reveal they wouldn't go back?

Some of my best memories come from the years I spent with my mum living in a two room tenement in Forth Street where there was always crime and poverty, it was rampant, but never shootings, stabbings and murders which appear common place now.

My wonderful parents gave me the best upbringing they could and worked a lifetime to achieve that.They are long gone but I wonder if they thought their young son would become a snob, or would they be proud?

I have been honoured by my first school Beddie Road and also asked to talk to the kids about my autobiography. The teachers believe it might create some incentive.

My mentor, Joe Kita, told me that if I wrote the book it would have to be honest, warts and all. I did that and have learned from his advice.

Dare I press the 'submit' button and await the flack. Why not?
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Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:27 pm

A fellow Bedford Road survivor! 👍
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:25 am

Loads of survivors from Beddie Road. It was founded in 1885. It was great day for the kids when it was bombed ….we were off for weeks :D :D :D
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:48 am

I was there much later, I served my time at Beddie Road 1974-1978 :D
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:54 am

Good thread Ernie though I’m not sure what’s meant by moving away. I moved out of Bootle in 1974 but have since spent most of my life living in Merseyside. That includes 33 years up the road in Crosby. Most of the girls I went through both junior and senior schools with also moved to Crosby and many of the new friends I made also originated in Bootle. I think we all agree that the best thing about Bootle was/is the people. ... did we all change when we moved? I think not. Would I move back? No, all the people I knew have long since moved out or died. Also I love the area I now live in and I’m still only 25 minutes from my beloved Liverpool.

Most of us are the descendants of “immigrants”. In the late 19th century, like many others my grandparents moved to Liverpool from Scotland in search of work. They later went up in the world, moving from the Liverpool tenements to a house in Bulwer St Bootle. Does that make them snobs??

We all have different priorities and aspirations. Had I stayed in my first house in Bootle I'd have had the money to travel the world. My choice was to take on a bigger mortgage which limited my spending on non essentials. Different strokes for different folks but I hope that we all look to the Bootle motto;
Respice Adspice Prospice;
Consider and respect the past, take a view to where you are now and look to what you’d like from your future.
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:57 pm

Doing what you do implies you are wealthy. To do what you do is a far cry from that as it takes your 'wealth' away. You can't take it with you....I have no problems with that and glad to relate that my kids applaud it.

Didn't realise you were a 'Crosby Lady'. A title always envied but never achieved by my late mum.
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:34 pm

Ernie: First of all I want to congratulate you on your honest posting it takes a great deal of courage to say what one really thinks
on this Forum for fear of retribution. I am puzzled however as to "whom" didn't respond as to whether they would go back to live
in Bootle. I thought everyone gave a responsible reply as to whether or not!
My eldest daughter and her family were in England last year and on their travels to Scotland stopped off and took a photo of the
house I grew up in. I haven't been back to Liverpool in many years but if it looks anything like the photo they took, I certainly
would have no hesitation in returning if ever the need arose. Having lived here for sixty years(my Mum also for ten years with me)
and with my children and grandchildren all being born and living here, I seriously doubt that happening.
Now my girlfriend, a widow, who has also lived over here for the same amount of time has no children and is seriously thinking of
returning. In the meantime, her only relative a niece, has moved from Bootle to Heswall so i imagine she would want to be around
her if she returns.
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Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:57 pm
Doing what you do implies you are wealthy. To do what you do is a far cry from that as it takes your 'wealth' away. You can't take it with you....I have no problems with that and glad to relate that my kids applaud it.
Didn't realise you were a 'Crosby Lady'. A title always envied but never achieved by my late mum.
Ernie, I couldn't agree more with you and just wish that tradesmen quoting for work would also realise that.
My son is like yours in that he actively encourages me to spend his inheritance .... "it's your turn now Ma, go for it" .... unfortunately the habits of life as a single mother are hard to change :(
I'm no longer a Crosby lady, I went over to the "dark side" in 2007 and nowadays I'm a West Kirby Granny. Smiled at your recollection of your mum; so many women from our end of Bootle (Knowsley Rd/Peel Rd) had the same ambition.
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