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Postby Invicta » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:56 pm

This morning we supported, Grandson Tom and his village school in the Kent small schools swimming gala.
The event was held at Sevenoaks ( Private ) School’s new pool .
A fantastic facility that cost over £1 million in beautiful grounds.
No big deal when you read they have 800 plus pupils with Boarders paying £40K per annum .
Even Day Pupils pay in excess of £12K per TERM .
Mind boggling but they are cheap compared to their near neighbours Tonbridge School for which you can add £10k pa.

A bit removed from the Army Huts :shock:

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Re: A different World

Postby bob. b » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:05 pm

Ken when did you start work :D :D :D me 14 with Henry Bradley on the Rosses wagons
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Re: A different World

Postby Invicta » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:23 pm

I was 16 Bob. Timber Trade Apprentice scheme at Keizers St Anne Street. :wink: Ken
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Re: A different World

Postby Patricia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:05 pm

Ken - It is even more expensive in San Francisco - for example,
the Schools of the Sacred Heart charge $30,000 per person per annum
and one has to provide their own transportation. If one participates
in any other activity i.e. Piano lessons, sailing, camping trips, etc.,
they are all extra and not cheap.
People who can afford this lifestyle think nothing of it and live an
entirely different way of life.
I believe one can make their own happiness and contentment, i.e:
what one doesn't have one doesn't miss. Anyhow, that's my philosophy! :wink:
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Re: A different World

Postby Shelagh » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:20 pm

Good philosophy, Patricia :wink:
Have to say, I think these private schools are very expensive, and not really worth the money.
I’ve known some to come away, go on to university and finish up as fairground workers or shop assistants :shock:
If a child has a brain, they will progress, no matter what state school they attend.
School up the road from me, costs around 12K per Annum..
Lunch, an extra £400 per term.
Uniforms a couple of hundred.
Sports equipment £200.
Field studies - extra £
School trips extra £
After school activities, all extra.

Our youngest was granted a scholarship to the above school.
Didn’t cost us a penny, we hadn’t the means to pay for such a luxury, so the school bursary covered the full amount :)
Have to say, our Joe appreciates the chance he was given, he’s so grateful for his education, (nothing to do with us though) did it all on his own :)

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Re: A different World

Postby filsgreen » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:42 pm

Trouble is, accents, manners and the old school tie, goes an awful long way. You're not paying for the education, but the doors it opens in later life.
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Re: A different World

Postby Invicta » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:58 pm

Not sure $30000.00 is more then £40000.00 just yet Patricia, maybe after Brexit :D

To be fair Phil many of the kids in that school are from Diplomatic and Military families serving abroad as well as many overseas business people’s children. There is also a bursary system and we know a couple of lads who went through the school and turned out well, one who studied medicine in Liverpool and is now. Consultant Anesthesiologist in Chesterfield.

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Re: A different World

Postby filsgreen » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:46 pm

I'm not denigrating anyone who attends private schools, Ken, just stating a generalisation. I'm not bitter, as money doesn't always bring you happiness....but it helps. :D
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Re: A different World

Postby henry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:48 pm

I went to a private school and it was approved :D
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Re: A different World

Postby Patricia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:14 pm

Ken - I was matching it with the Day School children not the boarding ones.
I believe at the moment it is 1 United States Dollar equals 0.80 Pound sterling
I recall when it used to be $2.00 to the Pound.
My son in law pays out $90,000 per annum for the three children.

Totally agree with what Phil stated, also, the thing about Private school is that the classes are a lot smaller
for individual attention, children are more disciplined (Hear all about this from my middle
daughter who teaches High School) and they learn a wider variety of subjects.
My 11 year old granddaughter is learning Chinese both written and verbal.

Also agree with Shelagh that if a child is possessed with intelligence and a willingness to
learn there will be no holding it back. My eldest bro is an example of that being accepted
and graduating from Oxford after attending Bootle Grammar School.
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Re: A different World

Postby Invicta » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:25 pm

About right Patricia, I bought USD$ last week @ $1.24 /£

Just looking at their website the day pupils are £12600.00 per term but I’m sure discounts are available.
£40k per annum would buy a World Cruise for two or a decent car but there again if you can afford what better than giving your kids the opportunity.

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Re: A different World

Postby Shelagh » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:21 pm

Not sure about accents and manners, Phil; but then again, depends on which part of the country you're from!

Most fee paying students have their careers mapped out from the start.
Knowing what is expected of them and how to go about achieving, depending on family connections!
Believe me, even the thickest of fee paying students (like Boris) have the highest of aspirations, usually pushed into lucrative careers - money opens doors :roll: (not the school) the school is run as a business, children put under pressure to achieve highest results possible, otherwise, the school will be seen as a failure!

The scholarship boys usually group together, don’t know why, but it always happens, they seem to watch out for each other!
Fee paying students seem happy enough mixing with each other!
Another group, Asian children (generally very well mannered) tend to stay together, probably for cultural reasons :)


Asian and Chinese students, usually the highest achievers, most finishing up specialising in dentistry or surgery.
All very lucrative :D

Amazing, what can be gleaned from standing inside a schoolyard :wink:
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Re: A different World

Postby Patricia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:48 pm

Not so much having their careers mapped out for them but a strong sense of what is expected of them. From the start parents are very
active in their daily lives, television is restricted, they are expected to read so many books during their summer vacation, spend a daily
amount of time on the piano and whenever their Dad calls daily from out of town, his first question is - "What did you do today" and proceeds
to ask questions, showing a keen interest in their daily activities. Weekends, they always have an activity of some sort, camping, riding
their bikes, swimming, visiting various places of interest as a family, with Church on most Sunday mornings.
I'm afraid I wasn't that diligent but thank goodness, my girls turned out A-O'kay!! :D
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Re: A different World

Postby Shelagh » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:40 pm

Patricia, as a grandparent, I’m also in the same position as you, my little lovelies also attend a local private school.
The decision of their parents was due to the local infant schools being full, (no room at the inn) for little James.
Only place available was the one school that no parent wanted their child to attend.
This prompting the decision to enroll James into the private school.
Not a decision taken lightly, they work every hour to keep up with colossal fees.
The children are also involved in many activities, both love sports, acting, dancing, singing, the whole works.
Mum and dad don’t think about children’s future careers, thank goodness!!
But I know of children this age that talk of nothing else - as if that’s all that matters :(

It may be different in other parts of the world, but can only speak of the school I know, the school referred to in my post!
These were students from the age of eleven to eighteen..I know of boys who were very focused on their careers, even recall one parent telling me that her son was going into the Home Office, he was sixteen :roll:
Many, many, doctors, specialists, dentists, lawyers, expecting their offspring to follow suit!

We honestly didn’t mind what career our son would choose, anything really, as long as he was happy and it was an honest living :D
(knew it wouldn’t be in a hospital though, faints at the very sight of blood :shock: )
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Re: A different World

Postby stevom_2009 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:42 pm

what a great subject Ken,a good mixture of views most with merit its just a shame a coalition of government thought it fit to abolish grants and bursaries which was a great help for the poorer school pupils of the country. not sure if i posted about my eldest granddaughter Chloe several years ago and her trials and tribulations trying to gain a place at university as a student midwife all she ever wanted to be from the age of 14.she was going on courses at her own and families expense from that age as far away as London with the same determination as shelaghs son despite all the failures to to get a university place. she had over a dozen interviews from birmingham to all over the northwest.she started to think perhaps it may have been age so at the beginning of 2016 the last year of government bursaries and grants she told us that she would apply to all the Unies she had applied to previously..then in the April she recieved a offer of a midwifery course from John Moores University which she was s o happy and grateful to accept she has finished her course last week and is off with her university course mates to Uganda for 2 weeks on wednesday. and graduates in october she and her class mates were the last students to receive a NHS bursary which is being being denied to 1,000s of other kids from working class families,who are not in a position to afford the fees now asked of them.(from two very proud grandparents Steve & Ann Morgan),
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Re: A different World

Postby Shelagh » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:56 pm

Steve, many congratulations to your granddaughter, Chloe, her determination has paid off :D
What a wonderful calling - helping to bring new life into the world :)
You have every right to be so very proud!
Well Done! Chloe :wink:
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Re: A different World

Postby Invicta » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:05 pm

Nice to hear from you Steve, hope you are well.
The very best of luck to Chloe, her determination deserves success.
Coincidentally, our eldest, Georgia (13) is contemplating a nursing career.
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Re: A different World

Postby Bill fawcett » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:38 pm

Both of our sons attended Savio Salesian College in Netherton, and I always told them that I thought getting a job was more important than going to university. Too many graduates struggle to find work in my opinion, and I think an employer would rather have someone with work experience than someone with qualifications on a piece of paper.
Our eldest son left school a sixteen with no qualifications and got a job at Glaxo injecting eggs with something ( don't ask me what). While he was there he enrolled on an Open University course and obtained his PhD. He is now a Doctor of Physiology & Neurological Sciences working at Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham.
Our youngest son also left school at sixteen with no qualifications and started work collecting glasses at The Pumphouse in the Albert Dock. He ended up being a Manager for Whitbreads, and from there he got a job as Staff training Manager with British Airways at Manchester and travelled the world doing this work. When our grandchildren came along he decided he needed a job nearer home and got a job as HR Manager with Blackburn Council, where he is still working.
I do not think either of them could have done any better by going to a private school or going to university.

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Re: A different World

Postby Invicta » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:25 am

Rightly proud Bill.
Too many so called degrees these days are for remote subjects not really of interest to prospective employers.
A decent education and the correct attitude will often succeed.
We don’t do “ jobs for life” so much now so in many cases the subject studied is not relevant to the career chosen.
Phil referred to the old school tie,I think it’s much less so these although in some circles it still exists. In my nearly fifty years in the Timber Trade which had a lot of “old school tie” people I never really experienced anyone from that background that excelled. In fact I got my first big break jumping over an old school tie. A year after I’d moved South I was head hunted by a large Finnish company to be Sales Manager for UK and Ireland. I soon realised the twit that I reported to was way out of his depth and was pretty useless. He had been recommended to the Finnish CEO by none other than Mr Perkins of Travis Perkins, an old school chum . He was rumbled early on, I got his job and never looked back, not bad for. WB lad who left with a couple of GCE’s :D
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Re: A different World

Postby lily8 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:35 am

so lovely to hear of all the achievements of your children and grandchildren however they were educated and of your well deserved pride. Ste I was so very pleased to see that Chloe has attained her long cherished dream she has worked tirelessly to get there well done Chlo enjoy your overseas work experience what a challenge that will be :D :D :D
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Re: A different World

Postby stevom_2009 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:45 am

Bill good on your children, i agree that children should be free to choose their own path in life. i have known a few people who had the same philosophy about their childrens education as yourself which i find is commendable it firstly takes pressure off their end of school expectations i have a few school friends who were not very bright on leaving who have made a success of life and are very wealthy and healthy and have had a good life. a couple are members of this site and have never forgotten their roots.but as you say Bill to advance in life your lads did have to take do further education of some form to to enhance their work prospects but it was done at their own discretion good on them. my grandaughter did not have the same option to attain her dream as you will know she could only do so through the university system.she now has a bright and hopefully long career of her own choice.(proud grandad Steve.)
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Re: A different World

Postby stevom_2009 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:34 am

Shelagh, thanks for your reply it is a valuable vocation bringing babies in to the world, to date chloe has delivered 44 babies by herself with the guidance of her mentor she must complete 42 during her course. Ken were not too bad Ann has mobility problems but with a bit of extra care she does well. it does get frustrating at times as she cant do things she would like to do.hi Lily chloe has done brilliant she finished her course on Friday 12th july and graduates in october she has already had a job interview at whiston hospital she was told she would be informed in the next 2 weeks if she was successful Wendy took her for her interview on the way home they went for a meal and while eating iChloe got a phone call saying she had been successful and was offered a post, she said mum that was b****y quick/ her 1st choice is liverpool womens maternity, she has an interview for them on monday 15th july she's done all her training there, fingers crossed she may get an offer of them. she did over 100 hours voluntary work there before she had even got her uni place. hope alls well lily. nice heaing from you.Steve
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Re: A different World

Postby lily8 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:45 am

Hi Ste have had a few probs but all ok will pm you, so glad to see Ann is ok even if frustrated with her mobility, absolutely chuffed to little mint balls by Chloes success she has worked so hard I am sure Liverpool Womens will grab her with both hands our own 'call the midwife'
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Re: A different World

Postby stevom_2009 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:38 am

hi lily, just to update Chloe starts her 2nd week in uganda today. she got results of her job interview for liverpool womans hospital on monday morning she had a bad part of the interview and thought she may have failed it but she has been offered a post in the autumn she;s so thrilled all her dreams are coming true.
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Re: A different World

Postby lily8 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:37 am

Fantastic news Steve



Way to Go Chlo

We are very proud of you xxxxxx
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