Booth-Rushton Families

[BOBHAMO]

https://www.nwrfca.org.uk/wp-content/up ... ldlife.pdf
There is some info on the Grange on this site
Yes Alan we all had a day out around there
Dwayne Can you give the years Ellen was at the farm
looking back the grange was owned by wealthy landowners
at one time i my library card i could get most old liverpool mercury. post full copys on line
but they took the Gale site off so means the only way is to go to liverpool library
but will still dig around
Alan are Lawrence gets everywhere
Keep your chin up Alan you will get over your troubles
bobhamo

[Dwayne0503]

Thanks so much, Alan. I genuinely appreciate your kindness and time.

Take care and enjoy your time with your wife.

[Jan]

Hi,

Sorry for butting in on this thread.

I don't know how much info you have already found, but just in case, I found this on the 1871 census Address Red Brow Kirkby

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Hesketh Head - Male 40 1831 - Lancashire, England
Jane Hesketh Wife - Female 48 1823 - Lancashire, England
Jane Booth Step-daughter - Female 26 1845 - Lancashire, England
William Booth Step grandson - Male 1 1870 - Lancashire, England
William Rushton Step-son - Male 13 1858 - Lancashire, England
John Rushton Step-son - Male 10 1861 - Lancashire, England
Thomas Hesketh Son - Male 1 1870 - Lancashire, England

It looks like This could be Ellen's mother Jane Booth living with her re-married mother and step father, Jane's son Wiliam and Jane's two brothers

Found other info on FMP. I have Ellen and Fletcher in Electoral Rolls in the 1920's and 30's living in Halsall,, Aughton and Ormskirk. They are also on the 1921 census on FMP, but you have to pay to view the image or transcript for that for the address.

Hope that helps a bit

Jan

[Dwayne0503]

Hi Jan

This is fascinating! Thanks so much. I didn’t know this. I will take some time to process.

[Dwayne0503]

Hi Bob

Of you have a look at the following link, the document says that Thomas Rushton occupied the Grace for 30 years. I don’t know the link with Thomas Rushton. Ellen’s Gradfather perhaps? Is Thomas Rushton the person who is referred to in the letter?

I contacted the Commandant/Head of Eatablishment at the Training Camp. He told me that Ellen and her sister were employed as domestic servants there. I might have the years on my hard drive at work. Seems strange that it was family owned and Ellen and her sister would go and work there, hence the confusion. I have been trying to establish the story/connection, but haven’t had a lot of luck despite my best efforts.

https://www.nwrfca.org.uk/wp-content/up ... bIyIJYyGfc

[Jan]

Hi,

Here are the Rushtons in 1881 at The Grange Farm Ince Blundell

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Rushton Head Married Male 53 1828 Farmer 250 acres emp 12 labors Kirkby, Lancashire, England
Ann Rushton Wife Married Female 50 1831 - Maghull, Lancashire, England
Thomas Rushton Son Single Male 18 1863 Farmers son Walton, Lancashire, England
William Rushton Son Single Male 16 1865 Farmers son Lunt, Lancashire, England
Mary J Rushton Daughter Single Female 22 1859 Farmers daughters Maghull, Lancashire, England
Ann Farrington Servant Widow Female 50 1831 General servant dom Laytham, Lancashire, England
Patrick Mc Grale Servant Married Male 35 1846 Farm servant (indoor) Mayo, Ireland

They were also there in the 1871 census address as North End Grange Farm Ince Blundell

Thomas Rushton born 1863 died in 1901 his burial record is on FMP

Jan

[Dwayne0503]

Thank you for this, Jan. Getting closer!

I do not have a Thomas Rushton in my tree. I need to work out how Thomas Rushton is related to Jane Rushton (mother of Ellen Booth). From the letter that I have mentioned, it appears that the Rushtons at the Grange were directly related to Jane.

[Jan]

Hi,

I have been trying to find the connection between Jane Rushton (Booth)

Her mum Jane who married Hesketh in 1868, her first marriage was to John Rushton, so he would be Jane's father (Ellen's grandad)

Her marriage to John Rushton Her maiden name Ashcroft

Name: John Rushton
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 1843
Marriage Place: Kirkby, Lancashire, England
Father:
David Rushton
Spouse:
Jane Ashcroft
FHL Film Number: 93759
Reference ID: 2:3G5DFMD

John Rushton died in 1867

Jane Rushton then marries James Hesketh Everton St George 1868

Name: Jane Rushton
[Jane Ashcroft]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 44
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1824
Marriage Date: 8 Oct 1868
Marriage Place: Everton, St George, Lancashire, England
Father:
William Ashcroft
Spouse:
James Hesketh

On the actual marriage cert Jane states she was a widow.

This is the 1851 census Red Brow Kirkby

John Rushton Head Married Male 30 1821 Blacksmith Melling, Lancashire, England
Jane Rushton Wife Married Female 28 1823 - Kirkby, Lancashire, England
Jane Rushton Daughter - Female 6 1845 - Kirkby, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Rushton Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Kirkby, Lancashire, England
Ellen Rushton Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Kirkby, Lancashire, England
- Rushton Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Kirkby, Lancashire, England

I will try and find a connection with John's father David and the Rushton's at The Grange farm

Jan

[Jan]

I think I have found the connection between Thomas Rushton at The Grange and John Rushton

Here is John's baptism

First name(s) John
Country England
Last name Rushton
Father's first name(s) David
Gender Male
Father's last name Rushton
Birth year 1821
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Birth place -
Mother's last name -
Baptism year 1821
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Baptism date 25 Mar 1821
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place Kirkby by Melling
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Lancashire
Collections from England, Great Britain

Thomas Rushton's baptism

First name(s) Thomas
Country England
Last name Rushton
Father's first name(s) David
Gender Male
Father's last name Rushton
Birth year 1826
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Birth place -
Mother's last name -
Baptism year 1827
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Baptism date 04 Feb 1827
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place Kirkby by Melling
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Lancashire
Collections from England, Great Britain

They were indeed brothers.

Jan

[Jan]

I had a look on lancashire on line parish clerks website and found the details of the marriage for Jane Rushton to James Hesketh

Marriage: 8 Oct 1868 St George, Everton, Lancashire, England
James Hesketh - 37, Farmer, Bachelor, Simonswood
Jane Rushton - 44, Widow, Kirkby
Groom's Father: Thomas Hesketh, Farmer
Bride's Father: William Ashcroft, Licenced Victualler
Witness: Peter Ashcroft; Jane Ashcroft
Married by Banns by: W. T. Hindley Curate
Register: Marriages 1866 - 1869, Page 173, Entry 345
Source: LDS Film 2147878

Jan

[Dwayne0503]

Hi, Jan

Wow, you are good. Thank you so much!

In a previous post, I wrote the following. I have never understood the letter, but the letter is the reason that I always had the Grange in the back of my mind:
……………………………………………………………………………….
I have a letter from Eileen (youngest child of Ellen and Fletcher) from the ‘90s which states the following:

‘Mother and Father’s names are Ellen and Fletcher. Mother was born in Bootle, May 24 1873. Father was born in Lathom in 1870, October. My mother died in 1944, Father in 1941.

Your father’s (Fletcher Foster) sisters and brothers start with George, Josiah, Elizabeth, Florence, Frank, Fletcher, Eileen.

My mother (Ellen) and her two sisters were very young when their mother died, their father walked out on them, my mother and Elizabeth were adopted by Captain Bell. Mother was taken, it was by a relation, the reason why the father walked out on them, it was because, before they married, mother’s mother was told by the family if they did they would disinherit them for everything, they were a well off family, they lived at the Grange in Hightown, now it is an Army Officer’s Training Corp.’

I have written the above as it was written in the letter (apart from the names in the brackets). I do not understand the paragraph that starts with ‘ My mother (Ellen) and her two sisters were very young when their mother died, their father walked out on them, my mother and Elizabeth were adopted by Captain Bell.’ Any information that can be provided on all the information in this paragraph (if you can decipher it) would be greatly appreciated.

[BOBHAMO]

Good job Jan
Bobhamo

[Dwayne0503]

Hi Bob

Is the 10 Romeo Street address for Thomas and Jane Rushton in Bootle? I wouldn’t mind seeing a photo of the property, but can’t seem to find anything online.

Cheers.

[BOBHAMO]

demolished its the street with the white building running up to stanley road
bobhamo

[ALAMO2008]

Still away on my break and away from my Notes
My Last Post to Dwayne to do Nothing till my Break return home last Monday Evening
otherwise He and others Researching Would Duplicate All that I found Already Found after Alot of Time and Research .Which blow them Wow
and Disprove all that they had Researched already Told by Eileen - All that she "Said" was Incorrect !

Please just wait.

Please Refer to the Previous 3x Posts on the Section Of Long Lost Family before Dwaynes making 4 All Starting with Wrong Facts to Start Research which delayed my Research Finding the Right Facts for them.
Then Post on Long Lost Family section from Chris after Dwayne made 5th Wrong Cry for Help in 7 days and some with No Replies from or Even Read.

[Dwayne0503]

Thanks, Alan.

I hope you are enjoying your time away.

[ALAMO2008]

Hotter here than Aus !!!

Am off Grid and Internet Signal and Even Mobile Signal since Thursday night.

Apart on Friday 8th at 3 pm to 4 pm when we moved Temporarily into Area to grap on Signal my Quick Post

And again Today Sunday 10th between 12 :30 pm and 14:30 p.m moved Away Temporarily to grab Signal again and grab these quick posts till Home

[ALAMO2008]

Everyone and Jan

I have 1921 Census for George Foster and Fletcher and Ellen both in Ormskirk and also Previous Posts for Horder and the others NO COST
to me.
I have copied 30 recently in my Library

The National Library for Wales here in Aberystwyth is Only One of Two sites in the UK (National Archives Kew ) offering that FREE to Members

[Jan]

Thanks Alamo,

I think Jane Booth (nee Rushton) died in 1883, this could be her death reg


Name: Jane Booth
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Death Registration Place: West Derby, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Sep 1883
Inferred Death Place: Lancashire, United Kingdom
Volume: 8b
Page: 377

I also found this on Lancs OPC

Burial: 22 Sep 1883 St Chad, Kirkby, Lancashire, England
Jane Booth -
Age: 38 yrs
Abode: Fazakerley
Buried by: John Leach Vicar
Register: Burials 1875 - 1892, Page 57, Entry 450
Source: LDS Film 1545854

So if this Jane is Ellen's mother, Ellen would have been about 8 when Jane died.

Jan

[ALAMO2008]

Dwayne your Original Post stated Ellen's Birth was 24 May 1873 ( Incorrect)
Eileen stated in her Letter in the 1990s that Ellen was Born 24 May 1873 (Incorrect)
that Fletcher was born 1870 ( Incorrect )
that Ellen and Fletcher had 7 Children (Incorrect)
You stated Ellen was Born 24 May 1875 ( Incorrect)
You stated Ellen was a Domestic Servant (Correct)
You stated Ellen was not George's Mother (Incorrect)
You stated George's Mother Died in Childbirth (Incorrect)
You stated Nice Lady found George Fosters Birth Facts (Incorrect)
You stated Fletcher and Ellen had 8 Kids (Incorrect)

You stated Horace Died in Infancy (Incorrect)

Oooops Time for my Tea my C.O. has Ordered me Offline tonight.

Part Two in the Morning of the Correct Facts instead of What was "Said"

[Dwayne0503]

Thanks, Alan. Looking forward to it.

[Dwayne0503]

Hi Alan

I have Ellen’s date of birth listed as 24th May, 1875, in my family tree, as per the 1939 Register.

[Dwayne0503]

And I have Fletcher’s birth date as 16th May, 1874.

Not sure why I listed a birth year for Ellen which doesn’t align with my tree. I was obviously going off Eileen’s letter.

Cheers.

[Dwayne0503]

I have George’s birth date as the 11th of March, 1897. I have Ellen and Fletcher’s marriage date as 16th May 1897. On the marriage certificate, Fletcher is listed as 23 and a widower. This doesn’t confirm George’s biological mother, but makes it plausible that it isn’t Ellen.

[Dwayne0503]

Last but not least, my records suggest that Fletcher and Ellen had 8 children, including George. Aunty Eileen’s letter misses out a child, ‘May’, who passed away at 4, in July, 1903.

[ALAMO2008]

Eileen also missed off as you stated she missed off May 1898 to 1903 by Ellen and Fletcher she also off their Son Fletcher born in Radcliffe in Bury in June Quarter 1904 was Baptised there in St John's Radcliffe in the Same Quarter when they lived there Temporarily
So that Made they had 9 Children but Fletcher Fathered 10 Children and Eileen never Mentioned Horace either because never knew about him.
Nor did accidentally forget about May
She Never knew about Fletcher and May and Horace they were Taboo topics
You are still Wearing your 21st Century Accuracy Eyes to Research the Past.

[Dwayne0503]

I don’t understand the reference to Fletcher?

Fletcher is my Great Grandfather. Emigrated to Australia in 1948. He is mentioned in Eileen’s letter. His Dad is Fletcher, also. I have a 3 year old son named Fletcher!

Fletcher died in a car accident in 1961, in Australia.

[Dwayne0503]

I have a Horace who died in infancy in one beach of my family. I haven’t come across any information of a Horace being born to Fletcher and Ellen, but am open to it.

I would suggest that Eileen didn’t ever know about May. Fletcher, however, is very much known.

[ALAMO2008]

Did you not Read what I just wrote ?

Where did I say Ellen was the Mother of Horace ?

I also said Eileen did not know about Fletcher born 1904 who the Second Son Fletcher born 1912 who was named after which was
Parents Tradition did to Honour the Dead Baby.
1912 Fletcher was Not Named after his Biological Father
but rather his Dead Brother born 1904 who was named their Father Fletcher

I said Fletcher Snr Fathered 10 children and 9 with Ellen

I've been updating Foster Family research and also a Rant to Post to everyone about my Experience Researching over the Years

See also my Post above Booth/Rushton Post on Site from you. MINE at 6.19 this morning is about "Births in Bootle from 1873"

[Dwayne0503]

Alan, I didn’t realise that there was another Fletcher, apart from my Great Grandfather born in 1912?

Indeed, I read what you wrote; about 5 times. I am confused. I’m confused because this is the first time I am hearing of a Fletcher being born prior to 1912. I guess I am meant to be confused!

[Dwayne0503]

Alan, you say that Fletcher had 10 children andEllen 9.

Who is the child that Fletcher Senior had before Ellen? You have always said that the child was not George.

[Dwayne0503]

Hi Alan

On the 5th of July, you stated the following:

Notice Dwayne not responded about my Comment regarding George and his Birth

Nor commented whether 1st Son Horace was known about?

………….

My following comments regarding Horace, and my following assumptions, are only because you brought up a Horace. At no stage did I ever suggest that Fletcher and Ellen (or Fletcher it Ellen) had a child named Horace. I am confused as to why this was raised.

[Dwayne0503]

Hi Alan

I have managed to find the email from Barbara Blundell. I have included the excerpt below. Horace was not Ellen’s and not raised by Ellen and Fletcher. I don’t know what came of him. George’s family think he is not Ellen’s! This is a mess and very confusing. Anyway, I hope this backs up your research:
……………………………….
My grandmother, Elizabeth Foster was a sister of your older Fletcher Foster. My mother referred to him as Uncle Tetch. During my research I discovered that Fletcher had married twice. Ellen, mentioned on the funeral notice, was his second wife. His first wife Eliza Ellen Pedder died aged 21, probably in childbirth and his son, Horace, was raised by family members. Horace appeared on the 1901 census aged 5 living with Mary Foster** (widow) and my great aunt Susannah Foster who was Elizabeth's sister.
………………………………….

Thanks, Alan.

[ALAMO2008]

Hooray!!

Now you are on the Right Track after Barbara Blundell told you All the Incorrect Facts

Can now concentrate Today the Facts I promised you.

[Dwayne0503]

Hi Alan

It appears that you are one of the only people that knows what is going on. All the people in the past have filled my head with nonsense and incorrect facts!

Sorry for the confusion. I thought I knew what I was talking about.

Thanks, Alan.