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Nath
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James Halliday b. 1899 d. 1978 married Edith Wright b. 1899 in December 1922. James was in the Merchant Navy as a Steward on the ships. Unfortunately I am unable to find James’s parents. I have their marriage certificate which states James’s father is Andrew Halliday (deceased) and he was a Brass Finisher. I cannot find anything else about Andrew. I don’t know if James had siblings. James and Edith lived at 117 Seaforth Road most of their lives and had three children, Edith, James and Leslie. When James died Edith went into a local home. I believe Halliday is a Scottish border name and that there are quite a few Halliday’s in the Liverpool area.
I am hoping that someone can point me in the right direction to find Andrew as I am at a complete loss having tried various sites. Thank you
Jacqueline
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Hi Jacqueline,

Welcome to the site.

This could be Andrew Halliday in the 1891 Scotland census.

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert H Halliday Head Married Male 49 1842 Gatekeeper England
Annie Halliday Wife Married Female 36 1855 - Argyllshire, Scotland
Andrew P Halliday Son - Male 17 1874 Brass Finisher (Apprentice) Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Annie C Halliday Daughter - Female 15 1876 Mantle Maker (Apprentice) Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Robert H Halliday Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Abraham P Halliday Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Isabella A Halliday Daughter - Female 13 1878 Scholar Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Elizabeth P Halliday Daughter - Female 4 1887 - Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Donald Ramsay Brother-In-Law Unmarried Male 26 1865 Labourer Argyllshire, Scotland


I think Andrew married Sarrah Jamieson.

Will get back to you.

Jan
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I found this record on the Scotland's People website. you would need to take out a subscription to be able to view the details.

HALLIDAY
ANDREW PARKER
JAMIESON
SARAH
1897
564/1 10
Greenock East

I think Andrew Parker Halliday died at sea in 1900. There is a will on ancestry site for Andrew, his address was listed in Bootle, I will get the details for you.

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James Halliday had a brother Robert Henry born two yeara before him, he was baptised in Liverpool St Peter's which was in Church Street.

I am trying to locate the family in 1901 census

First name(s) Robert Henry
Last name Halliday
Birth year 1897
Birth date 21 Nov 1897
Baptism year 1898
Baptism date 16 Jan 1898
Baptism place Liverpool, St Peter
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence Jones ST
Father's first name(s) Andrew
Father's occupation Brass Finisher
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-PET-2-96
Register type Baptisms
Register year range 1897-1898
Page 301
Record set Lancashire Baptisms

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:D

Found the family in 1901 Sarah is transcribed as surname Holliday. She is with her children all living with her married sister Mary Rowlands her mum Delia and her unmarried sisters. oh and also her dad James. I also found Mary's marriage to Edward Rowlands, and the witnesses were: Andrew and Sarah Halliday. :D

32 Beresford Street Everton

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Rowlands Head Married Male 24 1877 Ship Steward Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Rowlands Wife Married Female 23 1878 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Jamieson Father-In-Law Married Male 60 1841 Brass Finisher Scotland
Delia Jamieson Mother-In-Law Married Female 56 1845 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sarah Holliday Sister-In-Law Widow Female 25 1876 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Robert H Holliday Nephew Single Male 4 1897 - Scotland
James Holliday Nephew Single Male 2 1899 - Scotland
Isabella Jamieson Sister-In-Law Single Female 18 1883 General Servant Domestic Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Here is the will and probate for Andrew Parker Halliday

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Deaths at sea.

First name(s) Andrew
Last name Halliday
Age 25
Birth year 1875
Birth date 1875
Birth place British Greenock
Death year 1900
Death date 24 Jun 1900
Death place At Sea
Place Highland Laird
County At Sea
Country At Sea
Type At Sea
Vessel name Highland Laird
Departure port -
War -
Source Deaths At Sea 1891 – 1972
Archive reference BT 334
Box 0024
Page 9
Archive
The National Archives
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials

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:D

I found this on familysearch.org

Name:
Andrew Parker Halliday
Event Type:
Birth
Event Date:
20 Oct 1874
Event Place:
Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Middle or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
Robert Henry Halliday
Mother's Name:
Ann Ramsay Shaw

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Thanks for your excellent research Jan.

Nath (Jacqueline) sent me the following message in an email...

"Thank you so much for such a huge amount of information and so soon! I am going to spend Easter sifting through this as the weather is so cold and grey here in Kent".

I think she is still getting used to using our Bootle forum, so I've asked her to reply here on or Bootle Forum in future.

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:D

Thanks Mack.

I sent Jacqueline an email, just 5 mins ago.

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Brilliant :)

Thanks Jan :)

Mack :)
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As usual Jan great research :D :D :D :D :D
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Highland Laird renamed Blue Peter
built glasgow 1899
it was sold to a newfoundland company and was one of the first refridgerated ships for fish
broke up 1939 in wales
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Nath
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Good morning Jan

Mack sent you a message to say he thinks I am getting used to this forum. He is right! I’m not sure if this is how I reply to you. Can you let me know if I am doing this right if not how do I reply.

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:D

Hi Jacqueline,

Thanks yes you have done it right, posting on here.

Thanks also to Bob for the photo of the ship.

Jan
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Jan thank you so much for all this information and thanks to Bob for the photo, which I wasn’t expecting to see!

This is so exciting and it seems to be the right Andrew. Are you able to answer a couple of questions for me please? Andrew was a brass finisher on James’s marriage certificate but this information says Andrew died at sea so I’m guessing he left brass finishing to go on the ships. As he died at sea are you able to point me in the direction of finding out how he died, again I’m guessing he had probably become a sick man, and how to get his death certificate? I have tried several sites to no avail.

Jacqueline
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Hi Jacqueline,

I am not sure, but I think you may have to visit The National Archives at Kew.

As posted above, the reference is.

Source Deaths At Sea 1891 – 1972
Archive reference BT 334
Box 0024
Page 9
Archive
The National Archives

I am presently looking into finding other sources. I know there is a website https://www.familyrelatives.com where you can join and they have records of free overseas records. I have tried to find Andrew on there but not had much luck so far.

Jan
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Thank you Jan for all your help. As soon as COVID allows things to open I will go to Kew which isn’t too far from me.

Once again thank you so much for your help. Ive had an exciting weekend with this.

Jacqueline
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Jacqueline,

I forgot to mention, I found the record for Andrew on the findmypast website.

I had a look at the image, no cause of death give, but the information that was there was Found dead in bunker!

I am just about to pop out for an hour or so, but when I get back I will get the image for you and post it on here.

Jan
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seaforth road no117 on the left by the bike
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with white door
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:D

Great pics as usual Bob.

Jaqueline,

Hope you can see this. If you click on the image you might be able to save it and resize on your computer.

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Thanks for all that info Jan. I have found the houses that they lived and snap shot them but different photos to yours, so thank you. I went on the Electoral Roll and found that quite interesting and gave their addresses.

I am going out to now for the rest of the day so will look later or tomorrow

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if thats James at no117
they are the right photos
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Thank you Bob for the very old photo of 117 Seaforth Road. I hadn’t got that one and nice to see it as it was all those years ago.

I have managed to make the image of the death certificate for Andrew big enough to read, Jan. Thank you for that.

Jacqueline
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