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jpet72
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Hi, I am hoping someone can help me with a puzzle in respect of my family members from West Derby. My nana (Mary Jane Crabb) parents James Crabb and Mary Anne Radford. Mary Anne had Jewish links, and I remember this link was from Mary Anne’s family but all the family seem to have been either Catholic (James) or CofE, registered at St. Peter’s. Mary’s parents were Abigail Yapp and Thomas Abraham (or Abram),, but Mary used her mums deceased first husband name when she got married - a possible disagreement about Mary getting married?
All the family seem to come from West Derby, so I am really hoping someone will know something that can help solve this mystery. Keeping my fingers crossed
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Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:56 pm

welcome jpet :D :D
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Abigale yapps father was called Daniel Yapp and mother Elinor yapp
looking to find Daniel in the liverpool mercury
the only Yapps are Thomas ,Alex, master mariners, Wolfe street , Bridge water street
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:26 am

Lancs BMD Mary A Radford to John Crab 1888 at St Peter's. T.S
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Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:13 am

Hello

I have some of your ancestors on my tree - I hope you view this response and get in touch

Kind regards Jane
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ALAMO2008
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Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:37 pm

Daniel Yapp b 1800 married Ellen McChrink b 1810 they married 19 Sep 1830 at St Peter's C of E Liverpool
Abigail Yapp was born 11 July 1831
She was Baptised on 17th July 1831 at C of E St Peter's Liverpool entry number 1602 she was the 9th Baptism that day of 32 done
She was Baptised again on 12th August 1831 at Roman Catholic St Patrick's Toxteth
1851 Census for Abigal aged 19 at 14 Glover Street Toxteth shows her living a Servant Ann McCrinth at the Barns household.
She Married Blacksmith John Radford on 28 July 1851 at St Nicholas Church Liverpool Vol 20 page 288 Sep 1851
Sadly he died aged 39 March Quarter 1864 Liverpool Vol 8b page 32
She appears to have lived with a Thomas Abrahams soon after in Toxteth under Abram
She had a Daughter Mary Ann out of Wedlock and Registered her Birth in March 1871 in West Derby Volume 8b page 459 as Mary Ann Yapp and gave Mothers Maiden Name as Radford!
When in fact both should have been the other way around. Both GRO and Freebmd Birth Index Search facility show this.
The 1871 Toxteth Census shows Abigail and Mary Ann as Abram
She has another Daughter out of Wedlock Margaret Ellen Abraham Dec 1874 West Derby vol 8b page 481 Mother's Maiden Name = Yapp
That Margaret marries Robert Earle on 7 March 1900
The 1881 Census shows Abigail and Mary Ann as Abraham living with another Family Scottish Charwoman Widow Hester Chapman aged 44 and her 3 Sons and 1 Daughter (Chapman by coincidence is my Surname)
She eventually Married Thomas Abrahams on 25 November 1883 at St John's Bootle giving their addresses as 58 Raleigh Street.
She was Buried on 14 August 1888 at St Mary's Bootle.address was 65 Lyon Street Bootle
1891 Census shows Widower Thomas at 6 Lyons Street Bootle
He dies in 1893
There was an Abigail Crabb born September 1913 West Derby vol 8b page 753 Mother's Maiden Name = Radford
Also an Elizabeth Crabb born Dec 1908 West Derby Vol 8b page 375 Mother's Maiden Name = Radford
And Mary Ann Crabb born March 1900 West Derby Vol 8b page 353 Mother's Maiden Name = Radford
Sadly she died June 1900 West Derby Vol 8b page 267

Hope this helps.
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Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:51 am

Hi

I am closely related to the Earle family!!

Kind regards
Jane
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Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:04 pm

Robert Earle died at Walton Hospital in 1936 Buried at Ford Cemetery
He had 6 kids 1 son Thomas died in 1907 aged 2
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ALAMO2008 wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:04 pm
Robert Earle died at Walton Hospital in 1936 Buried at Ford Cemetery
He had 6 kids 1 son Thomas died in 1907 aged 2
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ALAMO2008 wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:04 pm
Robert Earle died at Walton Hospital in 1936 Buried at Ford Cemetery
He had 6 kids 1 son Thomas died in 1907 aged 2
I'm sure Margaret Ellen m. to Robert Earle died in 1951
I think I also found her in the pre-war 1939 census & it looks like she was in Rainhill Asylum. It doesn't give her birth date but I can't find her anywhere else.

Robert Earle's sister Mary Jane b. 1876 in St. Louis, USA was married to my Gt. gt. Uncle
Mary Jane died in 1946 & is buried with my Gt. gt. Grandmother in Ford
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:33 pm

Good Luck with your Research if you believe he died in 1951
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ALAMO2008 wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:33 pm
Good Luck with your Research if you believe he died in 1951
Hi

I was actually referring to Margaret Ellen Abraham - Robert died in 1936

Can I ask what your connection is to the family?

Kind regards Jane
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:27 am

Oooooops Sorry miss read.

No Relationship at all.

Just spent an hour or so Researching to help.
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