Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby BOBHAMO » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:49 pm

Welcome James
there is the census 1881 1891 1901 1911
which might help think we did some info
for Hyvon who was going to visit bootle he emailed me
but i could not meet him a interesting family tree
apart from later directories up to 1968
only the early records might give you more info
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:28 pm

Hi James, this is what I have, father to son:

John Ascroft, b. circa 1572 m. Margaret Browne 1578-1654
James Ascroft 1604-1639 m. Margaret Parr 1605-26
James Ascroft b. 1625 m. Elizabeth Seyeau b. 1629
John Ascroft . 1642 m. Margret Lawrence
William Ascroft, wheelwright, 1666-1717 m. Mary Pennington. Her great great great uncle was Isaac Pennington, Lord Mayor of London and Regicide
Thomas Ascroft, 1708-67, Stonemason, m. Mary Blinkhorn
Peter Ascroft 1743-88 m. Elizabeth Wadson 1740-90
James Ascroft 1785-1843 m. Lois Hodson 1791-1838
Thomas Ascroft 1818-86 m. Margaret Taylor
Peter Ascroft 1847-1917 (Mayor of Bootle 1900-1) m. Sarah Ann Smith 1850-1933
Peter's Children: Amy, 1871-1961; Ellen Sarah (died in infancy); William Alfred (died in infancy); Thomas Henry ("Harry") 1876-1932; Jessie Elizabeth Woods 1877-1938; William Alfred 1879-1957 m. Marian Hocknell 1886-1971; Bert 1881-1956 (is that your great grandfather Perter Herbert? He had a son called Harold); James Arthur 1883-1951; Edith May Woods 1886-1981 (my grandmother. Her husband and Jess's were bothers); Mabel Sarah Taylor b 1891; Gladys Evelyn 1894-70; Amy (died in infancy).
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Tue May 01, 2018 3:35 pm

lily8 wrote:Finding Constance was quite a challenge as there are no BMD's online I found a grave reference for Ellen/Nellie Ascroft Prime (nee Foley) she had a long life exceeding 90 years. Of Constance no trace until I found a border crossing for Ellen and her husband and both listed a David (couldn't attempt a try at surname as too badly written) as a son in law. This led me to thinking that Constance was dead (early 1940's) so I tried for a grave in Calgary and finally came up with a Constance Drinnan died 1936. Following that I found a family tree on Ancestry showing a David Drinnan but with wife and children listed as Private. I know that David Drinnan married a second time so the hildren and there are a lot of them may or may not belong to Constance. I have no evidence to back any of this up other than the crossing record, so with your permission I would send a message to the tree holder to see if they can confirm??????


Hello again, I looked more closely into it using your research (thank you) and I found David M. Drinnan married Constance Ascroft in 1931.

OK. So I then found David MacDonald Drinnan (1902-96) buried with his wife Mary O'Hara (1906-81). On looking into it I found they had 3 children, the eldest born December 1936. But there is a problem. He married Mary O'Hara in 1930. So: either there were two David M. Drinnan's in Calgary, or he was a bigamist who treated Constance much as my great uncle treated her mother; or he married Mary, divorced her within a year, married Constance but went back to Mary the year Constance died (1936)
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby lily8 » Thu May 03, 2018 12:02 am

Hello again Henry I am sad to say I received no replies to my enquiries via the Ancestry link, there were indeed 2 Davids' at least as I pointed out earlier which made the tracing quite hard. I do however feel that it unlikely that which ever one she married would have been listed as NOK on her parents entry visa to the US if he had mistreated her but who knows?. A David M Drinnan marriage to Constance was 1931 and Constance died 1936, a further marriage David M Drinnan in 1938. Without having the actual certs we are working blind I am afraid, however I have contacted the Archives in Alberta and fingers crossed the may be able to help will let you know. Regards Lilian
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby lily8 » Thu May 03, 2018 4:17 am

Just a quick update I had another look at the border crossing record and can now confirm after checking a border crossing record for David Drinnan that the 2 addresses are the same 202 8th avenue Calgary. David Drinnans BC records show him as David McDonald Drinnan born 2/11/1897 Glasgow (died 11/1/1983), he may have married Mary (possible surname Mc Nulty) I suspect 1938 and appears a possible two children with her. Hopefully the Archivist may shed further light.
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:01 pm

Thanks!

Bizarrely, I found a photo on billiongraves.com of a gravestone headed DRINNAN and showing David M 1902-1996 and Mary A. 1906-1981, located at St Mary's Cemetery, 3032-3120 Erlton St. Southwest, Calgary, Division 6, Alberta.

The names and location fit, but the dates are different.
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby lily8 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:29 pm

yes Henry a different Drinnan altogether
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:15 pm

BOBHAMO wrote:His son William Alf had a estate office 155 stanley road by trinity road
not sure if you have all family history his peters faher Thomas was born in wigan
peter was born down marsh lane
the photo is in derby park garden party 1900 only peter and wife mentioned
the photo can be purchased
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Hello again,

I was thinking that it can't be the 1900 Garden Party as Peter Ascroft was only elected mayor in November that year. So the photo must have been summer of 1901, as he's wearing his chain of office.

However, searching the British Newspaper Archive I can't find any reference to a 1901 Bootle Garden Party (though the 1900 one gets quite a long article, and as you say P Ascroft and his wife were at the 1900 party as guests of the Mayor.
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby BOBHAMO » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:19 pm

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