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I am trying to find any family that is linked to angus smith who lived in shelley st bootle,Wetherhed has been spoken about, as when my children were small they had a DR Wetherhed i n Marsh lane surgery and he confirmed that Angus and he were cousins,any hints would be useful .
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Think you need to speak to Matt in Vancouver Island as I'm sure I've seen him post about his family named the same. If you post the name in the search bar his posts should come up. Good Luck.
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thank you I will do that
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Hi Cunny,my father's brother was Dr John Wethered who had a surgery on Marsh Lane and they
did have a cousin called Angus but his surname was Blyde.The Smiths were my grandmothers side of the family and her brothers
children's names were Sidney, Jack and the only one still alive Anne .Angus's mum was Lena Blyde(ne Smith) my
grandmothers youngest sister and lived in 68 Thornton Road and Angus
was in fact born there but just before he passed away he moved but we do not know where to.
Do not worry about PM's we are all open and above board on the forum.Ask any questions you want and I will
be glad to answer them if I can.
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Hi thankyou matt for your reply ,looking at the names you have given it does look like I have got my wires crossed but because of the late time here I cannot contact people who could help me on this matter,I do know we have a sidney also, but he is a osborne , Angus married a Catherine Osborne.To-morrow if it is okay with you I will contact you again with more details .
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Hi Cunny,a little more information.We know Angus got married very late in life for the first time
he would have been in his 60's or 70's and the lady he married was using a wheelchair as was he
but he disappeared from view from the few remaining members of the family after that.
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Hi Cunny,

I've moved this over to our "Looking for" section for more replies for you. :wink:
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Thanks Mack.
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Hi Matt,

Were your grandparents Matthew and Annie (nee Smith)

They married in 1914

Name: Matthew Wethered
Birth Year: abt 1889
Age: 25
Marriage Date: 11 Oct 1914
Parish: Bootle, St Matthew
Spouse's Name: Annie Smith
Father's Name: Thomas Wethered
Spouse Father's Name: John Smith
Reference Number: 283 MWB/3/3

I have found lots of info on Matthew, was he in the MN and died in 1941?

Jan
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Hi Jan my little pit bull :D yes that is my lot.My grandfather died in January 1941 when his ship the
Oropesa was torpedoed just off the West Coast of Ireland. My grandmother Annie was the eldest of
5 children.Annie,Sidney,Jack,Dorothy and Lena.My grandfather Matt had one full brother Edward and
goodness only knows how many half brothers and sisters because my great grandfather married twice.
The rest is just a blank to me.Thanks for your interest
Matt
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1901 census 14 Conway Street

John Smith head married age 45 Ship's steward
Annie wife age 37
ANGUS H son age 11
ANNIE dau age 10
John B son age 8
Dorothy dau age 7
Sydney A son age 3
Helena dau age 1

On your grandparents marriage cert Annie is 24 father John is a ships steward and one of the witnesses was Dorothy Smith the other was Edward Wethered.

So it looks like there is a match after all, Angus was your gran's brother.

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1911 census

Lena and Sydney Smith are living with the Wethered's at 7 Florida Street.

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wow thank you every one for this information,as we have ho knowledge of Angus side this has been very informative to me. when Doctor Wethered was alive and I was very young we h ad a short conversation about Angus ,so this was why I was sure it was the same family..cunny
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Angus Heyes Smith married Jennie Harris 5th November 1916 Bootle St Matthew

Angus Heyes Smith Bachelor age 27 Leading Seaman address 74 Thornton Road father John Bryce Smith occupation Steward

Jennie Harris age 28 address 8 Boston Street father Henry James Harris occupation Foreman Joiner

Witnesses Arthur Wethered and Nellie Harris

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th anks jan how do you find out this info so quick, I must need a brain transplant. cunny
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You know Jan you may have just solved one of the great mysteries of our family.My great grandfather
John Smith deserted his family when my gran was about 13 and left her to bring up the two youngest
Dorothy was adopted by the Currie sisters in the Isle of Arran and Jack joined the RN as a boy seaman
but I have never heard my gran talk about a brother named Angus but then it was forbidden to even say
the name of her father maybe Angus went with him.
Wish some of my family were still around.I have 3 first cousins but no contact and only one cousin of my
fathers still alive.
Hey Cunny we are related!!!
Matt
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Hi Jan
Found a birth for a:

Name: Angus H Smith
Mother's Maiden Surname: Harris
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1919
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 482

So this would be Jennie Harris/ Angus Smith's son born 3 years after their marriage.
He died in 1966 in Bootle.
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Hi Glossy,

Yes I found the same.

Getting back to the middle name of Angus Heyes Smith, his mother Annie was Annie Heyes, she married John Smith in St Michaels Toxteth

Name: Annie Heyes
Birth Year: abt 1864
Age: 21
Marriage Date: 5 Jul 1885
Parish: Toxteth, St Michael in the Hamlet
Spouse's Name: John Smith
Father's Name: Joseph Heyes
Spouse Father's Name: Robert Smith
Reference Number: 283 HAM/3/17

Also Matt's Gran's baptism

Name: Annie Smith
Birth Date: 18 Apr 1890
Baptism Date: 11 May 1890
Parish: Bootle, St Mary
Father's Name: John Smith
Mother's name: Annie Smith
Reference Number: 283 BOO/2/2

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Angus Heyes Smith born 1888 and died in 1944.
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The Angus Blyde that Matt mentioned was the son of Helena Smith and George Blyde who married in 1922 they had 2 sons.

Births Jun 1923
Blyde George S Smith W.Derby 8b 673
Births Mar 1929
Blyde Angus C Smith W. Derby 8b 790
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Matt your great grandfather John Smith born 7th February 1858 baptised in Holy Cross son of Robert Smith and Catherine Rush.
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nice to speak to you matt , just to let you know angus named his son matthew he gets matty,my son is currently doing our face book and is named smigger7281 on ancestory feel free to look kind regards to you and your friends on Bootle times.
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does anyone know where Bostow st was as I can not find any ref for it in st maps, it is stated in documents regarding Angus, thanks in anticipation cunny.
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Hi Cunny,

The Street could be Boston Street.

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I found this in the 1938 Directory

2 Boston Street Bootle Smith Sydney Alex - Labourer

Only the head of the household was listed in the directories.

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thanks jan, on the birth certificate of angus it stated 8 Bostow st def initly a w but I suppose it could be a mistake, family members are amazed at your speed with correct information thanks once again cunny
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Trying to get my head round all this information.Sydney Alexander Smith is my great uncle and youngest brother of Angus Smith
My dad was named after him Sidney Alexander Wethered and my granddaughter is named after him Kalika Alexandra Smith.
Some things just do not make any sense to me.I was very close to my grandmother Annie,my uncle Syd and my aunt Lena(Helena)
they were my "safe place" when my mum and dad were fighting but never once did I hear the name Angus Smith come up yet 74 Thornton Road was where my gran
and granddad lived until a bomb dropped on it during the Bootle Blitz 3 doors away from my aunt Lena at 68.
Another weird thing is that my great uncle Arthur Wethered was a witness at Angus's marriage yet he was the one that split all our Wethered side of the family
because of his hatred of my gran.(The sister of Angus)He thought she was not good enough for his half brother Matthew.
Cunny when you spoke to my uncle Dr John Arthur Wethered and he told you he had a cousin Angus he was talking about Angus Blyde because Angus Smith
was his uncle.We just have too many Sydney's Johns, Annies and now Matthews and Angus's in the family :D :)
Anyway cunny great to meet you and welcome to our funny family :D :D
Matt
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Hi Cunny thought you might like to see what Annie the sister of Angus looked like
My lovely granny Annie
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And this is the brother of Angus Jack(John) when he was in the gunboats on the Yangtze River.
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Great family photos Matt.
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Angus Heyes Smith was married to Jennie Harris who is listed on the 1911 census as Eliza Jane Harris 8 Boston St Bootle, she is a sewing machinist .
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Lovely photo's Matt,

Thanks for sharing them, it is lovely to put faces to names.

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Great find Glossy,

we must have been posting at the same time lol.

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Hi matt my son Andrew(smigger7281) has emailed me to ask if you have an account on ancestry.co.uk. if so he will give you the name of a woman who has already done the Wetherhed tree and has filled in so many blanks for him,also is it okay for him to add your photos to our tree .At the moment the Ancestry site is offering a free one month trail so you would then be able to log on and see for yourself . is it right that Annie is Matthew Wetherheds wife (1890-1983) and the man is her brother,john bryce smith (1892-?) cunny
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Jan looking at the Harris/Smith line I found these: I wonder how many of these would be cousins of Matt's father.

Births Jun 1918
Smith John E Harris W.Derby 8b 520
Smith Joseph Harris Toxteth P. 8b 193

Births Mar 1919
Smith Angus H Harris W. Derby 8b 482

Births Jun 1920
Smith Thomas H Harris W. Derby 8b 738

Births Jun 1921
Smith Leslie H Harris W.Derby 8b 743

Births Dec 1921
Smith Doreen Harris W.Derby 8b 461

Births Dec 1922
Smith Joseph Harris W.Derby 8b 568

Births Dec 1923
Smith Mary C Harris Liverpool 8b 51

Births Sep 1924
Smith Clifford Harris W.Derby 8b 795
Smith Thelma Harris W.Derby 8b 688

Births Dec 1925
Smith Gerald Harris W.Derby 8b 793a
Smith Gerard Harris W.Derby 8b 793a
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