help please- Looking for info on George William Emerson

[andy13]

Hi
I havent been on the forum for a long time, but I really need some help in finding some information about my great grandfather. His name was George William Emerson, and as far as I know he was born in the USA in 1877 and in 1901 he got married to a Margaret Macnaulty in Bootle. I know all about him after he married my great grandmother, but nothing before that. I have searched everywhere, got in touch with lots of family members ( even found some) and all they could tell me was he worked on the ships as a musician. I have looked at shipping lines etc, but nothing. Im getting desparate know, as my Mum would love to know some more about him. The only other thing that i know is that his father was called William. Any help/advice would be most appreciated. Thank you !
Andreax

[PETER CRAIG]

Welcome to the Bootle forum Andy,
Peter.

[glossybonce]

Hello and Welcome

Found a census for 1891 in East Sussex, looks like a school for boys age 7-14.

Name: George Emmerson
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: United States

Civil parish: St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Hastings
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

St Mary in the Castle.

Here is the marriage in 1903
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915

Name: George William Emerson/Margaret McNaulty
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1903
Registration district: Liverpool
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire

[glossybonce]

Is this his death and Burial ?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915

Name: George William Emerson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 33
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Burials, 1813-1974

Name: George W Emerson
Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 33
Burial Date: 20 Apr 1910
Parish: Walton Park Parochial Cemetery

[lily8]

Hi Glossy and Andy I did a quick look up and the list I have shows S America as birth place assume South America ??? will look further.

[Mack]

Hi Andy

I have moved this over to our "Looking For section" for you.

Mack ( Bootle site admin )

[Thommos sister]

Crikey Glossy, you're a fast wombat

T.S

[lily8]

Further:

No record of him at Ellis Island at least none that fit the age, tried to locate the school at St Leonards Sussex but does not seem to exist today, I would think it was a very small establishment taking boarders rather than day boys. I looked up the headmaster in later years he was still running a small school but in a different county so I doubt there are any records to be found for school years. Do you have any docs at all????? and have you located his wife in 1911???

[Thommos sister]

Morning Lily
It certainly looks like S.America in the 1891 census.
I looked in All Resources with no luck.
Interesting find in 1901 Ambrose Emerson house surgeon Stanley Hosp Kirkdale single his birthplace Montevideo United States whereas it clearly says S. America on the census.
A rellie perhaps??

T.S
Just ducking off to IGA for me carrot/turnip for soup

[lily8]

Morning mate I am finally back in the land of the living! I did some minestrone soup yesterday-comfort food your dad would have been proud of me

Following on from your Ambrose find - He was also at a boarding school in 1891 different one though! did find him c 1910ish and note 2 emerson cousins which may help they were born in London.

EMERSON, Ambrose Head Married M 35 1876 Medical Practitioner Montendes Resdt should read Montevideo
EMERSON, Annie Gubilma Wife Married F 42 1869 Bounden Cheshire
EMERSON, Alice Jane Cousin Single F 43 1868 London England
EMERSON, Jessie Cousin Single F 40 1871 London England
TODD, Maria Josephine Boarder Single F 63 1848 Molesey Park Surrey
SHARP, Ellen Mary Jane Servant Widow F 47 1864 Cook Housekeeper Domestic Mereworth Kent
SHARP, Walter Davis Servant Single M 17 1894 Chauffeur Sydney Newsouth Wales Resdt
JEUNER, Mary Servant Single F 46 1865 Maid Attendant Domestic Waldron Sussex
WEBB, Susan Mary Ann Servant Single F 29 1882 Domestic General Servant Domestic Kensington London

12 Upperton Road Eastbourne Sussex

[Thommos sister]

I understand Lily.
I'll have a squizz in familysearch & 1901.
Thanks for Ambrose.

T.S

[Thommos sister]

Nothing in Mormons (mind you, it would help if I knew my geography, I was looking under Paraguy, not Uraguy )
There's an Ambrose Emerson 20 medical student arriving Lpool aboard Campania in 1896 from N.Y

back soon
T.S
Added I found the cousins from 1911 in 1881, their father is Ambrose, he has no occupation but not short of quid living at St Helens Lodge in Ore Sussex family & servants.
No clues here to the Full Monty on Video

1910 to Lpool Ambrose Emerson no further details, First Class
from South America, Brazil, ship did call in at Montevideo.

[lily8]

Saw that and had a giggle the census not the dvd I mean

[Thommos sister]

Lily
There's bucket loads of Emerson's coming from N.Y.
No luck 1901.
No Mrs Margaret in 1911 Gores/Kellys.
Not sure in census
T.S

[lily8]

Ditto on the census can't find her

[Thommos sister]

Hiya Lily
I'll look in fmp for sailings for Geo Wm also 1880 US census for his father Wm.

T.S
Later: zero in US, not one had a father Wm.
Too iffy in sailings, birth year unknown etc etc.
DRATS..........

Looks like we will have to wait for Andy as he did say he knew about Geo Wm after his marriage.
If the death Glossy found is correct, he died in W Dby Union Infirmary.

[paul1965]

my grandmas sister was margaret willacy and she married a george emerson...dont know whether its linked think they both would have been born around 1906/7..so possibly married in the 1920's

[andy13]

Evening everyone,
First just wanted to say " thankyou" ever so much for all the information that you have given. I knew that if I posted on the bootle forum I would get help. Its so much appreciated.
Yes glossy that is GWE's death & burial. He had been the dentist and they had given him too much gas, and on the way home had fallen into the leeds/liverpool canal, caught pnemonia and died. He had 4 children to Margaret: George- 1904, William-1905 ( my grandad) and twins Hazel & Ralph -1909. Margaret was married again soon after GWE passed away to a Thomas Rainford, then he died and she married a Mr Mooney.
Before GWE got married he lived at 34 Duncan street, and it says from the marriage cert that he was a mariner. The only other info that I know about him is that his father was called William and he was a mariner too. I have been searching for him for nearly 20 years on & off and I never get any further. I found some info a while ago about a Ralph Emerson arriving in Liverpool just after GWE died and I have been wondering whether they could be connected. I tried searching for him again, but no trace. I got in touch with some relatives in the USA recently and they told me that GWE was a musican on the liners ??? cannot find anything out about that either.
I so grateful for any more help and if anyone needs any more info, just let me know. and by the way my name is Andrea, but I like Andy. Thank you again.
Wishes
Andyx

[glossybonce]

Hiya Andy/Andrea
Such a sad tale about how he died.

Im sure the night shift will be on soon to check out this post and help you, I dont have access to the outward journeys from GB just incoming but i will have a look.

[glossybonce]

This might be something or nothing?? found a marriage that maybe related to your Emersons.

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: Grace Bond
Birth Year: abt 1879
Age: 29
Marriage Date: 6 Jun 1908
Parish: Kirkdale St Lawrence
Spouse's Name: Francis Joseph Emerson
Father's name: Richard Bond
Spouse Father's Name: William Frederick Emerson
No occupations for the fathers of the happy couple,both deceased.
one of the witness's was Alfred Emerson.

Andy do you have the cert for George and Margarets wedding and if you do is the grooms father deceased on it?

[glossybonce]

And the witness married with his father also William Fred Emerson.

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: Alice Carter
Birth Year: abt 1881
Age: 31
Marriage Date: 8 Apr 1912
Parish: Bootle St Matthew
Spouse's Name: Alfred Emerson
Father's name: Thomas Taylor
Spouse Father's Name: William Frederick Emerson (deceased)

Fathers occupation shown as a Sadler??
So probably not yours...
Just coincidental being a Bootle marriage.

[glossybonce]

Just for the peepers
I checked out a Croydon 1878 born GWE his parents are Fanny and Richard and he is with them in the 81,91,01 so we can discount him.Maybe our GWE was born USA.

[Thommos sister]

Hi Glossy
Just following up Alfred's father, there's a will for Wm Fred Emerson saddler living in Hughson & left 97 quid to his son Francis Joseph 1905.
Like you said, probably no connection.

T.S
Just to add, found the family in street above in 1901 Wm Fdk bn Louth in Lincs 1843c

[Thommos sister]

Hi Andy
A tragic death for George Wm.
I saw marriage in 1911 (sep q) for a Margaret Emerson to Thos H Rainford. It didn't have an asterisk for a previous name, neither does it for Margaret Rainford to John B Mooney 1921 Litherland St Philip.
Perhaps they named twin Ralph after the famous Ralph Waldo Emerson??
The only Ralph I can find arrived in Scotland 1907 from Canada, he's a journalist.
T.S

No luck incoming passengers for Geo or father Wm.

[andy13]

Hi
They did name Ralph after the famous poet: Ralph Waldo Emerson, as there has been talk in the family for a while that we were related to him, but as I cannot find anything out about GWE i cannot be sure.
They were married at Liverpol reg office on 27th January 1903, and there 2 witnesses are : Ellen A Burns ( not too sure as the writing is very hard to read) and I think the other is a Edna gideon?
My grt grandmother was living in Rose Vale, Seaforth and her father Patrick Joseph mcnaulty was still alive. GWE was living at 34 Duncan street and his father : William was listed as deceased and he was a mariner.
I have all marriage certs for my grt gran and any other certs like births etc.
Thank you for any help that you may offer, its most apprecated.
Andyx

[Thommos sister]

Hi folks
The only Margaret McNaulty I can find aged 20 in 1901 was working as a servant in Seaforth 21 Alder St.
I combed the census looking for the address from marr cert with no luck.
I'm pleased to say in modern maps, in the same block from Alder St, is Hawarden Grove..
Not much help but makes me happy to find old street names
T.S

[Thommos sister]

Hi Andy
What occupation does it give for Patrick on marr cert please?
Thanks
Tina

[andy13]

Hi Tina,
Patricks occupation is listed as "joiner". I was told that they came over from Ireland, but I cannot find anything more about Margaret or her father. I dont know her mother's name or whether she has any siblings. I went to the history fair at St georges hall last year, and no one could help me. Its just so very faustrating at times, as Ive done my Nans side and my Dads and they were relatively easy. The only other thing that bothers me is that on my Nan & Grandad's wedding cert ( William was GWE second son) is that my grandad has put his father's name as Gerald Josef Emerson ?? But as far as I know his name was George William Emerson. Let me know if you need any more info. Thank you Tina and everyone else who has helped, its most appreciated.
Andyx

[Thommos sister]

Hi Andy
Gerald Josef Emerson is a new name in the mix.
Is there any way you could post a copy of the marriage cert?
Just wondering if the witnesses could help?
Patrick, I did a search for joiner/carpenters in 1881 (you can put occupations in) with no luck sorry.
In the birth index there are two Margaret's who could be her.
Both after 1881 census was taken.
1891 still looking....
T.S

[Thommos sister]

Hi folks
Have received an email from Andrea with copy of marr cert, 1903.
Having probs with photobucket, will post asap.
Spelt as McNaulty
TTFN

T.S

[Thommos sister]

fingers crossed. T.S
Ellen A Burns as a witness but as for Edwd??

[Thommos sister]

Hi wombats
Just bumping this one up.
Got nowhere with the witnesses.
Cant make out Edward's name. Tried Pidgeon etc.
No luck with the father Wm Emerson decd by 1903.
Stumped!!

T.S

[andy13]

Good morning everyone,
Just wanted to say "thank you" for all your help on trying to find my great grandfather. Its most appreciated.
Wishes
Andreaxx