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nordstrom24
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Does anyone know if there are missing pieces to the 1891 Census? I am looking for 8 Pine Grove, Bootle residents. Patrick Conlan, Briget, Patrick Jr, James, Mary Ann and Thomas. I have looked for quite a while. They reside there in the 1901 Census, and reside on Davies Street in the 1881 Census. Anything would help, thanks.
Jan
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Hi Nordstrom24,

I have the 1891 census on CD's so I looked up 8 Pine Grove and here is the family

Patrick Conlan head married age 40 Joiner Bn Ireland
Bridget wife age 43 Born Ireland
William son age 19 bn Ireland
Patrick son age 17 born Barrow in Furness
James son age 15 born Strangeways Manchester
Mary A dau age 11 born Liverpool South End
Thomas son age 7 born Bootle Village

Jan
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Jan
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:shock:

No wonder you couldn't find them, they were transcribed on Ancestry as Walan.

RG12 2969 folio 99 page 15..

Jan
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nordstrom24
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I can't express to you how appreciative I am. A big hug from Canada. xoxoxo
nordstrom24
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Now how do I find them in the 1911 Census....hehehehe.
Jan
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:lol: :lol:

I looked up 8 Pine Grove in 1911, but the Conlan's not there, but they had moved to #4 Pine Grove.

Address: 4 Pine Grove Bootle
County: Lancashire


CONLAN, Patrick Head Married M 64 1847 Joiner Antrim Belfast Ireland Resident
CONLAN, Bridget Wife Married
40 years F 62 1849 Antrim Belfast Resident

Jan
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nordstrom24
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Oh my Goodness!!! You are fantastic!! That would have taken me months to find....between my slow computer, and transcription mistakes, I'd be here for years!!! Thanks so much!!
nordstrom24
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I've searched the 1911 Summary Books as well as the Census, and no search brings up that info. Grrrrrrrr.
Jan
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:D :D

I see the son Patrick Conlan married Susannah Chancellor 1898. St James Bootle.

Susannah is the head of the household in 1911 (patrick must be at sea!).

Address: 7 Mill Lane Bootle

CONLAN, Susannah Head Married
13 years F 36 1875 Belfast Ireland Aysum Resident
CONLAN, Susannah Daughter F 14 1897 Lancs Bootle
CONLAN, James Son M 12 1899 School-Parttime Errand Boy Lancs Bootle
CONLAN, Patrick John Son M 9 1902 Lancs Bootle
CONLAN, Agnes Daughter F 7 1904 Lancs Bootle
CONLAN, Samuel Son M 51 1860 Lancs Bootle
CONLAN, Thomas Son M 1 1910 Lancs Bootle

hahahaha, the son Samuel is listed as 51, he is only 5 years old, the transcriber has mistaken a tick for a number 1 (silly beggar lol).

Jan
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nordstrom24
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You're like some sort of Wizard. ;) I truly do appreciate all your help. I'm good with Patrick and Susannah, I've been on them for quite while (would have been less if I'd have met you sooner!!!) Hehehe. They are my Grandad's Grandparents.
nordstrom24
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Jan,

Neither of those addresses are coming up for me!!!!!
Jan
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:?

What site are you using for the 1911?

I am using Findmypast. It is guesswork most of the time.

I am trying to find anything on the other children, they may have all married, I will have a look at the full transcript for Patrick and Bridget, to see what it says about how many children the had and how many still living.

Jan
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nordstrom24
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I am using Ancestry.ca, however, I am having MUCH difficulty finding the correct Conlans in 1911 Census.
Jan
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:(

The 1911 on ancestry is only the summary books.

There is the official 1911 census site.

http://www.1911census.co.uk/

or findmypast.

Jan
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nordstrom24
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Thanks Jan,

Found them on the 1911 Census site, cost me less than joining FindMyPast, although it looks like it works better than Ancestry!!! Again, thank you so much.
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:D

Glad to help,

I noticed that on 1901 there is a daughter in law Annie listed born Ireland age 23, I wonder who's wife she is? Thomas and James are there but they are both single.

I think Thomas is on a ship in Kirkdale 1911, he is possibly transcribed as Thomas Conlaw age 27 born Bootle he is listed as married.

Jan
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nordstrom24
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I don't have my census infront of me at the moment, however, I remember wondering if that was Susannah? Annie? But the relationships were all messed up.
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:D

It's possible it is Susannah, I wonder what happened to William?

Oh, nearly forgot, Patrick and Bridget listed as having 7 children 5 still living two died! on the 1911.

Jan
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nordstrom24
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Sorry Jan, sent you a personal message by mistake.
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All in one day Jan...Well done mate.
T.S :)

Nordstrom
1911 Gores Kellys Directory has a Thos. Jsph Conlan mariner
27 Florida St Bootle
Most of this was actually recorded in 1910.
He was Thomas J in 1881
Jan
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:D

I am not sure if this is Mary Ann Conlan married Henry Hodges 1900



Address: 8 Bank Road Bootle
County: Lancashire

HODGES, Henry Head Married M 31 1880 Dock Labourer Everton Lancs
HODGES, Mary Ann Wife Married
11 years F 30 1881 Liverpool Lancs
HODGES, Mary Daughter F 9 1902 Bootle Lancs
HODGES, Frances Ellen Daughter F 7 1904 Bootle Lancs
HODGES, Henry Son M 5 1906 Bootle Lancs
HODGES, Annie Ivy Daughter F 2 1909 Bootle Lancs
HODGES, Henry Nephew M 12 1899 Bootle Lancs
HODGES, Henry Father Widower M 74 1837 Wostershire Harrow
HODGES, Elenor Daughter F 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Bootle
ARMSTRING, Elizabeth Ann Boarder Widow F 69 1842 Betley Worcestershire

They married in St Mary's Kirkdale.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CONLAN Mary A HODGES Henry Kirkdale, St. Mary Liverpool 2013WD/21/322

Jan
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Looks like a good find Jan for Mary Ann especially the Bootle address.
T.S :)
nordstrom24
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Jan, I did find a Baptism for Mary Anne, with parents Patrick and Bridget (Hughes), check it out and let me know what you think. She is listed as Maria Anna Conlan, parents are Patritini and Brigidae (Hughes). Can't figure out the church though.
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I have Henry Hodges and Mary Conlan in my husband's tree.

This Mary Conlan was married at St Mary's Kirkdale in 1900 and was aged 21 living at 4 Percy Grove and the daughter of Patsey (as spelt in register) he was a joiner.

Henry was the son of Henry and in 1901 was living at 1 Dorset Street with his married sister Frances Shacklady wife of Thomas Shacklady.

Funny that on the one day I have found two different people looking for ancestors who are on my husband's tree!!!! The other one is the Curran query.

Eileen
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Litherland girl with Bootle parents.
glossybonce
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nordstrom24 wrote:Jan, I did find a Baptism for Mary Anne, with parents Patrick and Bridget (Hughes), check it out and let me know what you think. She is listed as Maria Anna Conlan, parents are Patritini and Brigidae (Hughes). Can't figure out the church though.
Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906

Name: Maria Anna Conlan
Birth Date: 23 Jan 1880
Baptism Date: 17 Mar 1880
Parish: St Patrick
Father's name: Patritii Conlan
Mother's name: Brigidae Hughes

Is this the one you found?? I think its South Liverpool but i'm sure Jan will confirm this.
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:D :D

Hi Ladies,

What a small world hey?

Glossy, I did find the baptism of Mary Ann I think it is the same person, there is also someone on ancestry who has this family listed in thier tree.

I think St Patrick's was the one in Toxteth, it says on the 1891 census Mary Ann born Liverpool South End (Toxteth).

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Tox ... index.html

Jan
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glossybonce
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Hi Jan

It is a small world.....like mine and Bambi's O/H's with the same family :lol:
Time is precious.....Waste it wisely.
nordstrom24
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Thanks so much guys. Btw Jan, my mom told her friend that some nice person from the Bootle Times has been helping me.....and the first question she asked was... "Is her name Jan?" Heheh. My mom's friend's name is Linda Truesdale, don't know if you remember her, or know her, but she's a good friend, and has been very sick lately. Small World Indeed. ;) And thanks again guys.
Jan
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Hi Nordsrtom,

I can't recall your friend, but sorry to hear she has been ill, give her my regards, I may remember her if you gave me a family name I may have researched for her, I look at so many, I can't remember them all lol.

Jan
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Your fame is spreading Jan and rightly so!!
Good on ya :)

T.S
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Well done Jan :P
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Hi Patrick and Suesanna are my children’s 3x great grandparents through their son Patrick.
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