Bedford House / Bedford Place (or Road)

[Jan]

Took this photo earlier this morning.

25 Bedford Road It is the one with the White door and lamp on the wall.



Looking down to the bottom of Bedford Road from Queens Road, Bedford underpass on the left, beyond the wall.



The beginning of the underpass, looking from Queens Road/Bedford Road towards Liverpool



Jan

[PETER CRAIG]

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[Jan]

If you look at the beginning of this clip you will see that part of Bedford Road where I took the photo's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EV4CeMa ... ature=fvwp

Jan

[Jan]

I have been doing a bit more digging (not in the garden!)

I think we are on the right track, if you go back to the 1881 census that Bob put on, then the John C Welsh Tina found.

Well John married Sarah Joyce Dugdale in Bury in 1885 (John Cook Welsh)

Their marriage was in The Liverpool Mercury Aug 29th 1885



I have found John and Sarah with their children and John's sister Mary L Welsh on the 1901 census living at 40 Exeter Road Bootle.

Sarah is transcribed as Sarah S (but it is a J)

RG13 3459 folio 59 page 19

John Welsh head m age 43 Timber Merchant born Manchester
Sarah J wife 43 born Bury
John D son 14 Bootle
Herbert R son 8 Bootle
Thomas E son 6 Bootle
Robert H (or could be D) 10 months son Bootle
Mary L sister 27 Bootle

I have found the family going back to 1861.

Jan

[Jayne Seymour]

Bedford Place ran between Brasnose Road & St. Johns Road the continuation of Bedford Road under the railway My nan had the sweet shop on the corner of Bedford Place/St. Johns Road it was waste ground next to the shop bombed during the war later a Boys Club was built there. Maybe Bedford House was there at one time? Duncan Street was just around the corner so maybe they where moved there. I have just found one of my old year books dated 1909 with lists of Bootle streets "Bedford Place 127 yards long with 151 Houses on it ran from Derby Road to Bedford Road subway)

[Thommos sister]

Wow Jan, great find in the Mercury and all the other details.
Well done

T.S

[marine]

Surely a mistake. 127 yards long and 151 houses?

Marine

[Jayne Seymour]

Sorry yes it was (needs to go to spec-savers) 16 houses Thanks Marine

[Jan]

I have been to Liverpool Records Office this morning to look a couple of things up.

I looked at the 1885 Liverpool Directory (on microfilm) and found this entry

Thomas Welsh - Book-Keeper 25 Bedford Road Bootle.

Caroline's Marriage - James Thomas Domville

5th September 1887 St John's Bootle

James Thomas Domville age 25 Grocer 141 Bedford Road father Peter Domville Joiner

Caroline Welsh age 21 116 Beatrice Street father Thomas Welsh - Clerk

All signed

Witnesses: George Henry Domville
Margaret Welsh

Jan

[Thommos sister]

Hi Jan
Well done with find in 1885 Directory at LRO and Thomas living at the address in Bedford Rd.
(o/t is 1885 for sale?)
Thos still alive at time of Caroline's marriage.
This could be his death
Wdby rego 4th qtr 1889 aged 59yrs
birth 1830c
(1881 census aged 51yrs)

T.S

[Jan]

Hi Tina,

The directories at LRO are on microfilm only, I wish they would copy them like some of the others, they would make a fortune selling them, I did suggest that to them some time ago, but they said they don't have the funds or the time.

I was hoping that Caroline had married from 25 Bedford, but of course they had moved house again, it didn't give any indication of Bedford House in the directory, so I suppose that is a name they just called the house, they might have had a name plate on the wall outside or something.

Jan

[Jan]

I think you are right about Thomas's death reg, his wife Mary died in 1891


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Mary Welsh
Name: Mary Welsh
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 59
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 401

Liverpool Mercury 16th March 1891



Jan

[Jan]

I think the son of Thomas and Mary married in 1884



But Sadly Elizabeth died in 1885 age 23.



Jan

[Jan]

I knew 69 Stanley Road rang a bell, it is still a grocers shop called Stanley Foods, I took a photo of it some time ago, it is in the pic below, just by the bus stop, the shop with the red writing.

http://www.liverpoolstreetgallery.com/d ... 16&pos=225

Jan

[Jan]

Hi eggdish,

Just bumping up this post, you didn't come back on the site and reply to all that had been found for you.

Jan

[eggdish]

Gaaah! Through a generalised search I have stumbled across this website again, and then see that I have been the perpetrator of this posting, and worse still, completely forgotten about it. A couple of life-changing events have distracted me, and I must apologise profusely to all of you for my negligence. I can see that everybody has been very busy investigating data - the census lookups, newspapers, photos, and all else - all are very much appreciated.
What a lovely group of onliners. I can sense the community spirit and joy of helping.
Myriad belated thanks.
Eggdish
(This more recent generalised search arose because I was trying to trace the one-time owner of the original letter written to C. Welsh. That descendant had many stories, as evidenced from the recent obituary, and it takes in Bletchley Park as well as nuclear physics. Astonishing.)

[glossybonce]

What a lovely group of onliners. I can sense the community spirit and joy of helping.

What a nice thing to say...and spot on.

[Jan]

Thanks eggdish,

A bit more info for you here is Caroline, her husband and children in 1911.

Address: 135 Knowsley Road Bootle

DOMVILLE, James Thomas Head Married M 48 1863 Grocer Sankey Warrington
DOMVILLE, Caroline Wife Married
24 years F 45 1866 Manchester Lancs
DOMVILLE, Margaret Mabel Daughter Single F 22 1889 Bootle Lancs
DOMVILLE, Louisa Evelyn Daughter Single F 19 1892 Dressmaker Bootle Lancs
DOMVILLE, Sydney Thomas Son Single M 15 1896 Student Bootle Lancs
DOMVILLE, Norman Peter Son M 13 1898 School Bootle Lancs
DOMVILLE, James Stanley Son M 9 1902 School Litherland Lancs
DOMVILLE, Sarah Caroline Daughter F 8 1903 School Litherland Lancs
DOMVILLE, Dorothy Ada Daughter F 4 1907 Bootle Lancs

Jan

[tricia190]

Hi Eggd , was wondering if you solved your mystery from 10 yrs ago . I lived all my life in my Granddad's house in 214 Bedford Rd and Bedford House was changed to Denmark House when the Danish Bacon Co had it when we were there.The couple of house before it were bombed in the war. Quite intriguing you having the letter originally addressed to C. Welsh of there . Hope you found all the information you required on the family .

[Dan]

Bedford Road/Bedford Place

Bedford House (Thompson's Funeral Parlour), 274 Bedford Road, would have been built around the same time as Southport Road,

which was opened in 1939.

The brickwork tells the story.




Below I've posted Gore's Directory's entry for Bedford Place and Bedford Road Bootle for 1900.

Bedford Place 1900




Bedford Road 1900





Below is an undated photo of the Walton end of Bedford Road

The church at the end of Bedford Road is St Mary's, Walton on the Hill on County Road, next to the Black Horse if you navigate

by pub locations.

Bedford Hall is the cinema opened in 1910.

[Chris Dodge]

Bedford Rd.runs down to the canal and on the other side over the footbridge and leading to Derby Rd.it becomes Bedford Place. On the south side it had a row of fine houses with big front gardens then a yard and ending in Martins Bank on the corner. On the opposite side was a row of tall warehouses. I went up and down Bedford Place daily on my way to school at St. Alexanders until they bombed it in 1941 and admired the houses which were older bigger and grander than all others in the area, and over the bridge in Bedford Rd. and up to Southport Rd. there was nothing comparable. If one had been called Bedford House it would not have been inappropriate.

Marine

I also thought this would be were the house was located, your description was great to read. Would love to be able to see a photo or painting of these houses, fascinates me looking at old OS maps where Bedford place runs from Derby Rd to the canal, but instead of Bedford Rd there's nothing but fields up to Walton Church.