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filsgreen wrote:I've started this thread so that I do not corrupt Bernie's last thread anymore with my observations. Hopefully, the alleged demise of Bootle over the past sixty years can be discussed further. Although, if anybody wants to discuss anything else along the way, please feel free.
Bernie's Lime Street photos juxtaposed nicely with his previous photos portraying Stanley Road, in that they both represent change. Ernie and Elaine both contend that Bootle has deteriorated, to the detriment of its residents and itself.
Recently we had the opinions voiced by Merseyside residents, stating that the demolition of that area of Lime Street was a bad thing and would be detrimental to the area.
The contention that Bootle had deteriorated and the planned changes of Lime Street; I feel represent the both sides of the same coin.
There is no doubt that Bootle has gone through the doldrums in previous years, but is now emerging as a vibrant town. Yes there are still areas that are awaiting development, but Rome wasn't built in a day.
You only have to see the bright new houses built on the Klondike and the Tannery to see how far Orrell has flourished. I decried the demolition of Orrell school and the terraced houses in the Klondike area, in much the same way as the Lime Street protesters complained about the demolition of the Futurist.
I would venture that both protestations were borne out of nostalgia. Even though I probably hadn't set foot on the Klondike streets for over thirty years; I wanted them left as they were.
In hindsight, a very selfish thought. It's alright for me to have two toilets in my home, but the people who resided in Staley or Mona Street would have to have endured their poor standard of housing, just so that my nostalgic thoughts can be maintained.
Ernie and Elaine, both remember Bootle as a bright, litter free, safe place to be brought up in. But now see it, based on visits and second hand opinions, as a shuttered up, crime ridden place where the streets are littered with detritus.
Yes, there is litter and dog muck decorating the streets, but remember this, the people who do not care about their community are the same people who are probably related to people on this forum.
I can see you now, reaching for the keyboard to defend your innocence in all this, declaring that your children and grandchildren would never drop litter or not clean up their dog muck. More than likely my assertion is totally wrong, but it's somebody's relative in Bootle who is dropping litter and letting their dog foul the streets.
I cycle and walk about Bootle and I do not feel threatened in my environment, yet Elaine felt scared when she visited years ago, in the area she was brought up in. This is probably normal, because although she was a native of Bootle; she had become a stranger.
I agree with Elaine that not just Bootle but the whole of the UK is one large litter bin. National pride still exists, but is drowning In a sea of indifference. There are lots of people in the UK who care about their environment, with Prospice being the most vocal on this forum.
Coming from Canada, Elaine saw the stark difference in attitude to civic pride. My visits to Toronto, Ottawa Montreal and Niagra on the Lake demonstrated the pride Canadians had in their country. These areas were impeccable and although downtown Toronto had its share of litter, it was nothing compared to London.
Her observations, also brought to mind my experiences of being dropped off at a Los Angeles bus station in the 80's. To say I thought I was going to get mugged at any time, would have been an understatement. Yet there was this little old lady going about her business without a care in the world; she didn't feel threatened because she was probably a Los Angeles resident.
I've lived in Bootle/Litherland for most of my life and have seen many changes during my lifetime and form my opinions based on those experiences. Our expat members form their opinions based on occasional visits, probably the opinions of their relatives who still live in the area and the invaluable information gleaned through this forum from the likes of Bernie and Alan, who are recording the daily changes in Bootle via their cameras.
How can they not when they do not live in the area? Both sets of opinions are valid, but whose are contemporary and first hand? As Ernie has opined, the written word does not convey the full story. I would contend that a picture does not portray the innocence/danger of the the environment it's captured.
My texting finger is burnt out now, so I'll leave it there. I'll continue another time.
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