pub in ivanhoe street

[pinchalynch]

I know my grandfather was a brickie, but by 1926 he was a beerseller living at 29 Ivanhoe Street. Does any kind soul know if there was a pub at that address, and if so, what was it called >

[john j connell]

Ivanhoe St was a small street that ran off Bank Rd, sorry but the only dwellings i can remember are the prefabs that must have been built when Ivanhoe St and one side of Browne St were destroyed in the blitz, the nearest pub would have been the Merton Arms situated on the corner of Irlam Rd and Ashcroft St, and in the other direction you had the Derby Arms at the corner of Strand Rd and Irlam Rd, i have never heard any mention of a pub on Ivanhoe St but i can assure you that if one did ever exist someone on this site will point you inthe right direction. JJC.

[john james ingham]

not in my time.but there was a pub there and it was called the brass handles. john.

[john j connell]

Like me John you will only remember the prefabs, i am sure that your post with the name of the pub will be a great help to Pinchalynch, well in young man. just going off thread a bit i hope you don't mind Pinchalynch but it is in the same area and it is a little query that John (JJ) may be able to help me with, here we go John, can you think of any other street in Bootle where the houses like the ones in Browne St had light wells in the front of the house, giving light into the basement/cellar of the house, you had similar on Derby Rd just past Millers Bridge but they had steps leading down to the basement , the houses in Browne St didn't have any steps leading down. JJC.

[john james ingham]

thats a hard one john. i cant. only browne st. jimmy sands might no.john.

[Jan]

Hi Pinchalynch,

I had a look in 1938 Directory for Ivanhoe Street, there was no pub listed then.

What was your grandad's name?

It could well have been that he had a licence to sell beer from his home, like off licence, and maybe not a pub.

He would have needed a licence to sell beer, they had to apply to the magistrates court for the licence, there are records at Liverpool records office.

347 JUS
Title Licensing records of the Liverpool City Petty Sessions (Magistrates)
Date 1836-1952
Description 1. Licensing records:
/1. Registers of Alehouse Licenses, 56 vols., 1842-1930
/2. Registers of Wine and Beer House Certificates, 5 vols., 1869-1874
/3. Registers of Licenses other than Victuallers, 23 vols., 1874-1879, 1880-1930
/4. Register of Wine Dealers' Licenses, 1 vol., 1903-1930
/5. Registers of Licenses for Public Dancing, Singing and Music and of Theatrical and Cinematograph Licenses, 4 vols., 1890-1926
/6. Registers of Transfers and Applications (for Licenses for Victuallers, Beer Retailers, Theatres etc.), 3 vols., 1901-1919
/7.Newscuttings on licensing, 2 vols., 1874-1895, 1909-1915
/8. Plans, 1 vol., 7 docs., 1887, 1914
/9. Miscellaneous, 1 vol., 36 docs., 1852-1951.

Jan

[BOBHAMO]

Hi pinchalynch welcome it might be more help to the genies if you can give your grandads name
in early street directories there is no pub in ivanhoe street , but there was a pub at 4 bank road

Bobhamo

[john james ingham]

i ment that the pub was in bank rd buy were i dont know. people i knew that lived there as i did told me many many years ago. john.

[bernie johno]

notice it says marsh lane and strand rd station.

[pinchalynch]

Thanks bernie,john,bobhamo,jan,johnjames.I think the likelihood is that yes, he could have been working at a pub but living in Ivanhoe street.
I have a great grandfather Peter Lynch who, in the 1871 census was also a beer seller living at 113 Derby Road, who had previously been a shipping clerk. He died in 1872.
Can I say that I am amazed at the responses from this really friendly site ?
Absolutely fantastic
Thanks again everyone
pinchalynch

[glossybonce]

Great Street Map Bobhamo

29 Ivanhoe St in 1938 Joseph Fras Mackey Greaser.

[john j connell]

Don't know what year Bobhamo's map was printed,but have noticed that the Bootle Arms and the Elm House are not on it, also noticed that public houses where situated at the corner of Pleasant St/ Derby Rd also at the corner of Sandy Lane/ Derby Rd it also indicates one at the top of Canal St/Windsor place, i know of the one opposite the Georges on Marsh Lane but have not got a clue about the others, does any one have the names of any of the public houses. JJC.

[BOBHAMO]

John thats 1908 map
hereare most of the pubs in bootle 1900
albion,american, bootle arms,borough,bedford ,castle, catherine,chaucher,
tollbar, talbot, farmers arms , grove,victoria, hawthorne, jawbone, langton, linacre, marine, merton arms ,derby arms , derby, queens, wydham, railway, royal, salisbury,
looked for the one in canal street on the corner but not there in 1900
think a few members have the 1911 will be on there john
bobhamo
Bernie it was first called marsh lane and linacre station

[Sheelagh Tequila]

John I,m not sure what you mean by light well but our house on Peel Road had a small front garden with a hole in the centre, it was about 4ft deep and roughly 4ft x 3ft wide the entire cellar window was down the hole, the window didn,t open though. The 4 houses on our block were the same.

Sheelagh

[Jan]

Thanks for the map Bob, and a list of some of the pubs.

I had a look in 1911 directory here is a list of all the pubs in Bootle

ADMIRAL 149&151 Stanley Road
ALBERT 4 Bank Road
ALEXANDRA 178 Marsh Lane
AMERICAN 62 & 57 Regent Road
BEDFORD 38 Queens Road
BOOTLE ARMS 5 Derby Road
BOROUGH HOTEL 58 Marsh Lane
CANADA DOCK 18&20 Regent Road
CARRIERS DOCK 36-40 Regent Road
CHAUCER 45 Sea View Road & 1 Chaucer Street
CLARENCE 28 Canal Street & 2 Bridge Street
DERBY ARMS 31 Stanley Road
DERBY ARMS 44 Irlam Road
DERBY ARMS 50 Strand Road
FARMERS ARMS 135 Derby Road
GRAPES 209 Derby Road
JAWBONE TAVERN 12 Litherland Road
KNOWSLEY ARMS 203-205 Derby Road
LABURNUM VAULTS 92 Litherland Road
LANGTON 313 Standlery Road & 191 Strand Road
LINACRE HOTEL Linacre Lane
MERTON ARMS 2 Irlam Road
MARINE 306 Derby Road
PEMBROKE 1 Queens Road
OLD HOUSE AT HOME 111 Derby Road
OLD TOLL BAR 225 Derby Road
PRINCE OF WALES 234 Derby Road
QUEENS ARMS 2 Kirk Street
RIMROSE 171 Rimrose Road
ROYAL 118 Canal Street
RAILWAY 111 Merton Road
ROYAL STANDARD 78 Miller's Bridge & 2a Berry Street
St GEORGE 238 Marsh Lane
St WINIFREDS 248 Rimrose Road & 2 Knowsley Road
SALISBURY 129 Marsh Lane
STANLEY HOTEL 78 Berry Street
STANLEY ARMS 74 Litherland Road
STATION 82 & 84 Bank Road & 107 Strand Road
STRAND 5 Strand Road
TALBOT 282 Derby Road
WASHINGTON 253 Derby Road
VICTORIA 17 Miranda Road
VICTORIA 58 Regent Road
WINDHAM 43 Oriel Road

Jan

[matt wethered]

Great map from long ago Bob.Always wondered what was on Oriel Road and Merton Road corner.My grans house was 66 Merton Road then bomb sites next door and across Oriel Road up to the bridge and Harry Evanses shop.
Matt

[BOBHAMO]

Thanks jan some great pubs
john looks like the canal street one was the royal
never new there was one there
and the one in bank road albert
matt will put on the 1851 map
thanks glossy
bobhamo

[john j connell]

Thank you Bob and Jan,it looks like the pub at Pleasant View/ Derby Rd (135)was the Farmers Arms, and the one at Sandy Lane/ Derby Rd (209)was the Grapes, the building that was the Farmers Arms was not destroyed in the blitz and i am sure that it later became the offices of the T&GWU, one of the forum members (Suze) resided above the offices until the demolition of the area, once again thank you for for putting the past into view. JJC.

[lynne99]

Thanks for the map Bob. I will refer to it a lot

[Litherland Digital]

[PETER CRAIG]

I know my grandfather was a brickie, but by 1926 he was a beerseller living at 29 Ivanhoe Street. Does any kind soul know if there was a pub at that address, and if so, what was it called >

Welcome to the Bootle forum pinchalynch,
Peter.

[pinchalynch]

I've had a closer look with a magnifying glass at my grandfather James Lynch's death certificate at 29 Ivanhoe Street. I think the occupation could read bricksetter, and not beerseller. Very sorry about this. So I'll concentrate on my great grandfather's entry on the 1871 census which very clearly reads beer seller, and he was living at 113 Derby Road I see there was a pub, thanks Jan, called the Old House at Home at No.111. Perhaps this ran across two building numbers.

Was there ever a pub called the Clock in the area, as my father used to speak of a pub of this name ?

[Minera]

The pub in Banks Rd was the Albert and historically was run by the Suttcliffes.
If anyone can come up with a photo of it I’d be very grateful.
My family were the Newton’s and were dockers