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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Bonesy » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:38 am

Off to a cruise show at Aintree racecourse this afternoon.


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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:48 am

You will enjoy that B.

Let us know how it goes.
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Invicta » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:30 am

Had call a call from an American friend (acquaintance really) said he was arriving in London by sea on a Seven Seas vessel this Morning and wondered could we meet for a drink. A bit bemused about the London, I checked his ship out. He was actually arriving in Southampton ( has berthed ) but after contacting him to say no , he said his itinerary clearly states London, England then in small print Southampton.
With the best of traffic, M3 etc London is 90 mins away and by train about 60 mins but Waterloo Station is under renovation so delays there. It's a bit like Rome, you berth in Civitiveccia which can take 2 hours each way for Rome.
Always check your destination ports or you could spend a day of your holiday on a Motorway and possibly miss your ship if delayed. The rule is, If on a Line organised tour they will wait, if you go off independently and are late back, you are on your own. :wink: Ken
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:45 am

Interesting but true

Most, if not all cruises, class Southampton and Dover as LONDON. It is something I have a laugh with US pals. They also don't know what a 'trump' is in England and, depending on their political beliefs, usually laugh.
Cruise tours, as in all cases, are an absolute rip off although Regent include them in the price of the trip. :roll:

Civitavecchia to Rome is a long way by road but only about a half hour by train, regularly, costs around 15euro pp depending on time of day, and is a doddle to do independently as the train station is just a few hundred yards from the dock gate. The open top Rome tour bus is just around the corner from the train station and being 'hop on hop off' is excellent. They have these is most cities around the world, including Liverpool, and the inclusive headphones translate into any language. It is a good deal and well worth it. But, as Ken says, don't be late back as they won't wait.

Trouble with Rome is that they never seem to progress the building work at the Colosseum and I wouldn't trust the Building Inspector who approved the foundations in Pisa??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Invicta » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:56 am

I loved the big main city ports on our trip, San Diego, San Francisco. Honolulu, Auckland, Sydney, HK.
All very walkable to Main Street, similar to Liverpool, Barcelona, Lisbon etc.
I hated berthing in some container port miles from anywhere, LA, Brisbane, Busan etc. Ken
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:59 am

How was the cruise seminar B?

Ken. Some of the so called glamorous and well publicised places are memorable by the great disappointment of seeing them as they really are.

Attractive postcards of Antigua show it has 365 beaches but doesn't mention that you have to wear shoes to avoid the bugs or wonder if you have coleslaw or bird droppings on your salad.

Falklands shows lovely groups of pretty penguins but doesn't indicate the constant and overbearing stench of the abundant excrement.

I know Matt likes Tonga and I must have seen a different part as it was really scruffy with rubbish everywhere.

Salalah was the butt of the ships comedians' jokes for days after we left there.. Just sand and a few oil containers.

You will, I know, never forget cruising into Sydney Harbour and for me the only comparison was cruising into the Mersey and seeing all the childhood attractions from a different angle. It was all so emotionable. Sydney was my second favourite city till we visited Cape Town where the wine land is incredible and I can hardly wait to go back soon.

Liverpool remains my favourite and makes me so proud when I hear world travellers say it is one of the best cities they have visited. I know many were disappointed because only one day was allocated, especially as the next day was Holyhead. :roll: Our city is wonderful place to see and tour. I found things and places I never appreciated when I lived there. For instance I didn't realise it was one of the few in the world that has two cathedrals and the Anglican is the biggest in the world, even though it is smaller than originally intended. Never knew that.

Visitors soon realise that our city is much more than just The Beatles.

Its nice to see you have mentioned that there are some bad destinations,. It's seldom as pretty as they are inclined to publicise..
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Invicta » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:14 pm

Never said bad destinations Ernie, I enjoyed them all just didn't like being parked in a container berth miles from the city.
Only bad destination I experienced was Colombo in Sri Lanka, what a dump. K
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:24 pm

:oops: Accepted Ken.

I suppose you could call them 'educational, as with all travel. :wink:
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Invicta » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:24 pm

Bitter sweet Ernie, I actually enjoy Port and Ship operations. Parked next to a working,huge container ship is something to behold but travelling into town on crowded roads NOh!!!!
Add KL and Bangkok to the out of town cruise ports, hours away. :wink: Ken
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Shelagh » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:29 pm

Never done cruising before, wouldn't really know what pitfalls to look out for..
Did come close, a few years ago, planned to take a short cruise around the Mediterranean with friend Lynn, (seasoned cruiser) seemed to know the ins and outs of what to look for.!
Lynn wouldn't pay for organised trips, didn't think it necessary, knew exactly where to purchase tickets and best routes for country's local transport!
So happens, I had to postpone plans because of a health problem, and friend travelled with another group.
Have visited a couple of cruise fairs, a bit chaotic to be honest, difficult to get reps attention, not many bargains to be had, some to be found on shorter cruises, mostly around British Isles, others to France, lots offering discounts to Norwegian Fjords!

Lynn always cruising, done all the fly cruising, many different companies, been everywhere, away at the moment, but this time, sailed from Southampton with P&O!
Wouldn't dream of sailing from Liverpool, Fred Olsen not up to Lynn's standard :roll: :D
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:57 pm

Hi Shelagh. Different subject but still about cruising.

Rather than go into the cruise out of our city I think it would be simpler if you just Google Fred Olsen Norovirus.

My late sister swore by Fred...she loved it and had a great time, most of the time. So much so that whilst she was suing them for her having spent about half her last cruise quarantined (with about half of the other passengers.....not in the same cabin I hasten to add :) ) she booked a further fortnight cruise with them out of Liverpool.

It cost, I think, just short of £1000pp and she eventually accepted over double that as compensation.....together with many of the others who took the trouble to sue. A well advertised legal firm do group suing and represent many such cruisers who have the same complaint. (both medical and legal).

The lady companion Bab's had paid for also got compensation and put the money in her own pocket. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Shelagh » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:07 pm

Norovirus :shock: very nasty, no alternative but to quarantine; how awful for passengers, especially those held captive in such a small confined space!
Can't imagine how distressing the situation must have been for some :(
What a miserable experience, and a F.O. vessel (smaller than most) this adding sea sickness into the equation :roll: absolute nightmare!!
Won't be using Fred to transport me to foreign shores..not so much a holiday, more an endurance test!!

Ernie, Barbara must have had the spirit of Dunkirk :D
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:47 pm

Yes Shelagh. She was a regular and popular contributor to the BB site and anyone who knew her would agree with your apt description of her spirit.
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Invicta » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:49 pm

Just coming into Norovirus season. All ships can carry it, it depends how vigorously they address it to eradicate it. On our 114 nights we had not one case . When we boarded in Southampton they had done a deep clean and extra measures were in place for the first few days. Some passengers are less than perfect in their habits and hand washing routines . At first indication of illness they should stay in their cabin and phone the Medics who will come to them but instead they go about the ship infecting others. :shock: Ken
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Invicta » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:55 pm

Shelagh - Biggest pitfall us you will get hooked :lol: Ken
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:05 pm

There are ships and there are ships. There are Cruise Companies and there are cruise companies.

One of the first things anyone should do, with any holiday or indeed with business dealings in general is check first.

These days the availability of Google means we can all do this in just a few minutes. Amazingly most people do not.

"You pays your money you takes your chance" is a thing of the distant past.
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Elaine Goulding » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:28 pm

I am really enjoying this thread. It offers a wealth of information to those considering cruising for the first time. Keep posting Guy's!!!!
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Patricia » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:04 pm

Matt - I know from your postings that you & Shelia enjoy Los Cabos as
do my girls and thought you might be interested in this news clip from
the paper the other day. I have only scanned one-half of the article as you
may already have seen it, so if you want the other half let me know........
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You will most probably need to enlarge same from your computer to read it !
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:43 pm

Hi Elaine.
I would be more than willing to advise anyone on anything about cruising so that they can benefit from the basic errors and pot holes I initially fell for.

There is a cruise for everyone and to fit all tastes and pockets. Like Ken, Val and I are addicted and have been so since our very first (never to be repeated once in a lifetime :) Thomson Cruise 45 years ago. (£110 each for ten days around the Greek Islands inc. flights).

I have, more recently, thought some ships expensive only to wonder how ever could they do it for the price, as we disembarked.

I have learned that there are so many aspects to consider when organising a cruise holiday and my bible is the Berlitz Cruise Annual that tells all, down to the most minute detail, proven by a criticism of the size of bathroom towels on one of the ships. It is even fun to have this book to hand when away so you can identify and read all about any of the many other ships you see.

You will have gathered from this thread that we all have different tastes and different wonderful memories. To wake up in a different city, different country and different customs almost every morning is something one can never experience on any other holiday.

I have suffered from motion sickness since being a child but have only experienced it on three rough sea days in a total of over 80 cruises. Every cruise is a holiday that you never forget and is still enjoy months after you get home. You could do the same cruise next week and enjoy a completely different holiday and meet even more wonderful friends for life as the options aboard are unlimited.

A few BB's have wondered about cruising but took the plunge (no pun intended). Hooked, as Ken so aptly describes.
I will close so I can read about Los Cabos, posted by Patricia while I was typing .
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Eddy Lloyd » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:34 am

Our first cruise was on the Azerbaijan from the Alexander dock in Bootle. Not a very pretty sight for foreigners, right next to a huge scrap heap. It was a Mediterranean cruise and we to go through the Bay of Biscay, Ann had terrible sea sickness and had to have an anti emetic injection. Always done fly cruises since then. :)
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Invicta » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:02 am

The P&O crew call it The Bay of Sickbay .
Only one bad one, this time last year on Azura heading South, 8 metre swell , Force 10 but no problems, never spilled a drop. Doing the same again on Britannia in a couple of weeks, can't wait. Ken
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:09 am

Ken. Lucky couple. Looks like a round trip Canaries cruise and on a five star ship.

Quote.......The family-friendly Britannia is the largest ship ever built for the British market, and unites the comfort and sophistication of a luxury hotel with the thrill of cruising. Britannia provides individual entertainment for every age group, from the children’s splash area at the main pool and the teens-only pool deck, to a dedicated adults-only area at the Serenity Pool & Bar. Other entertainment options onboard include The Cookery Club, where you can create your own culinary masterpiece under the guidance of renowned chefs, four tempting pools with ample room for sunbathing and Oasis Spa, a relaxing refuge featuring deluxe heated sun loungers and an inviting hydro pool. Onboard Britannia, guests will find a tempting array of dining choices, with 13 options offering everything from healthy snacks and stone-baked pizzas to the gourmet fare at the Meridian and Oriental Restaurants. At the end of a busy day exploring a port or enjoying all the ship has to offer, guests on board Britannia will return to a variety of stateroom options, from well-appointed single staterooms to deluxe suites with butler service. Guests on board Britannia will discover that this ship truly offers a satisfying vacation for everyone.
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Our first World Cruise with Crystal included the final segment home through the dreaded Bay. I just booked six segments to avoid the Bay and fly home from Barcelona. Later I changed my mind and asked my agent how much extra it would be to include the final segment. Imagine my delight when she said it would involve a $3k rebate as six successive segments were more expensive than a world cruise. :) :) :)

This no brainer was proven even better when we passed through the Bay in beautiful weather on seas like glass. I have cruised over the Tasmanian Sea and around Cape Horn, both notoriously rough seas. but they too were like glass. In my experience the videos you see of frightening and rough days at sea are about as common as an ostrich flying over the Mersey.
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:15 am

My son worked aboard the 'Island Escape' for a 'short' while..

The crew called it the 'Island Mistake' and my son was one of the longest serving members..
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Invicta » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:23 am

Don't think P&O would make 5 star Ernie, 4 at best but at £100 pppn for a super deluxe balcony with £650 OBC between us we'll "rough it" for a fortnight. :lol: K
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby henry » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:01 pm

Not quite my holiday as all day I like to wear sandals and shorts and in the evening put on a t shirt and no getting dressed up for your meal and to me that is having a holiday
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:25 pm

That is no problem Henry. As we have indicated there is a cruise for all, whatever dress, food or service you want. It is there for you.

I promise that once you find the ship that caters exactly for you then you too will be hooked. In the evening the same food is available in the Grand Dining room, for those who prefer smart casual, and in the terrace buffet where you would meet many who prefer your tastes.

I have just enjoyed seventeen days on a cruise that would suit you down to the ground. Your casual style would be well served and, if you wish, you can wear shorts and tee shirt at a restaurant geared exactly for you.

Unfortunately you have a pre set opinion of what a cruise is and you could not be further than the truth.

There is also a casino on most ships who are always glad to take your donations.
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Invicta » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:34 pm

Cozzy & Crocs for me H, T shirt required if you go indoors to eat but BBQ and outside grill , pizza., sandwich bar and deck bars, no top required, daytime.

P&O have 2 dress codes for the evening ( Men)
1). Trousers/Slacks/Chinos even smart jeans. Shirt long or short sleeve, Polo shirt
No jacket required, no ties required but some wear both.

2). Out of a 14 night cruise , 3 or 4 nights might be Formal
Dinner jacket, Black Tie, Tux , whatever you call it.
Dark suit, black, blue , grey, brown, any suit really

On Formal nights the main restaurants require the minimum of dress code as do some of the bars but not the main pub bar. Optional non Formal dining is available in the buffet and 2 other restaurants. About 90 % of passengers dress up for Formal nights some of the men in very outlandish combinations and ladies in long or cocktail dresses. :D Ken
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Bill fawcett » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:08 pm

Henry, I always said I would not go cruising as I thought I would be bored to tears. About six years ago I decided to give it a go
And signed up for a 35 nights with P&O to Singapore and loved every minute of it. Since then we have been on another 6 cruises, all with P&O who I find are excellent. We have never had the slightest problem with them, no norovirus or any other sickness. I think I have only ever been on the sun beds twice as I always find there are plenty of things to do.
I too hate the formal nights but as been said previously, you can always go to the buffet on formal nights.
With regards to the Bay of Biscay, we have only had one bad trip. We were on the top deck and our cabin was on the front of the ship looking forward and the waves were crashing against our window, which we thought was going to come in. Everything was falling out of cupboards and I was falling out of bed. Eventually I put the mattress off the bed on to the floor and slept there. We found out the next day that a window had come in in one of the bars and the crew had a hell of a job clearing up all of the broken crockery. In spite of this we are off again in Feb.to the Caribbean and Florida, again with P&O, don't know what to expect when we get there.

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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:23 pm

Bill. A tip.

When you book the next cruise insist on a low down mid ships cabin.

If you draw this on a bit of paper and imagine the ship rocking you will see that the position of cabin I recommend will move the least of all the others on the ship.

Most friends who started in penthouses have 'graduated' to seeking the position I mention. Funnily enough the most glamorous suites are usually high up and at the end of the ship. Great views but very, very rocky.
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Invicta » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:29 pm

Bill, Is that the Ventura? It's scheduled to call, Tortola, Amber Cove & Key West?
We were booked on that but a Family wedding clashed so we moved to Aurora, round trip in March. Bump in to you one day. :D

Ernie, we don't suffer from Mal de Mer so always book high & mid to forward but not directly under the Lido deck and preferably Port. :D K
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby filsgreen » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:32 pm

Great stuff guys, loads of good info. Thanks
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Joycen60 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:35 pm

Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) wrote:My son worked aboard the 'Island Escape' for a 'short' while..

The crew called it the 'Island Mistake' and my son was one of the longest serving members..


I went on The Island Escape a couple of times. Not the most luxurious of ships but boy did we have fun! Loved it as it was so laid back. As several people have said everyone wants different things on a cruise but there is one to suit everyone.
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:19 pm

Ken (And increasing lookers in).

The quote I gave for Britannia was while I was in the office at work and I got it from Vacationstogo which is a good yardstick for prices but seldom produce good cabins. They rate your ship Britannia as 5 star.

Following your remarks on this I have now looked at my Berlitz 'Cruise Bible. who show the following result:-

Britannia.
Four Star.

Ratings:- Possible. Achieved.

SHIP. 500..... 408
Accommodation 200 151
Food 400 260
Service 400 286
Entertainment 100 74
Cruise Experience 400 283
Overall 2000 1462

This guy has cruised on and valuated every cruise ship at sea and is totally unbiased.

Strangely the best rated ship on the seas is Europa 2 Rated 1868 out of 2000 It is German, :roll: :roll: :roll:
But the fact remains,,,...the best ship is the one that the individual couple enjoy the most,
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby Invicta » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:31 pm

Never been on Britannia yet Ernie but I'll rate a review and get my updated Berlitz on return.
People get very loyal to a particular ship and line but I think a lot of it is down to the people you meet on a cruise. If you have a great time then that ship is the best.
Never had a bad cruise but I didn't like the Oriana with dated layout and few balconies.
Often your first ship is your favourite, in our case, Arcadia, but having done the Worldie on her I wouldn't rush to book again soon but she does go for a refit next month so that might change depending on new facilities. Ken
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Re: CRUISING.

Postby filsgreen » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:40 pm

Just looked on Amazon, the 2018 Berlitz guide is out on October 1st for £16.88.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Berlitz-Cruisi ... ships+2017
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