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Re: Old photos of Bootle

Postby Matt » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:01 am

Funny seeing that photo with wrought iron railings and gate.
They were all taken down and the metal used for the WW2 war effort.
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Re: Old photos of Bootle

Postby graham01 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:25 am

Matt,sorry to disapoint you but less than 3%of scrap metals collected in ww2 were used by british government.
It was used as a morale booster to make the public think they were doing their bit to help the wsr effort.graham.
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Re: Old photos of Bootle

Postby filsgreen » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:57 am

Morning, Graham. I was surprised at your answer and did a bit of googling and you were, of course, correct. :D Here is a bit of information.

Dear Cecil:

My relatives who lived during World War II insist that all the scrap-metal and rubber drives, supposedly done to preserve resources for the war effort, were only for propaganda. None of the metal and rubber collected was ever used for anything. Is this true?

— Anthony Allen, Los Angeles

Cecil replies:

We live in a cynical age, Anthony. World War II scrap drives were a lot like the federal government, the Oscars, and Dennis Rodman: they partook of a considerable measure of hot air and bullshit. But not 100 percent.

In 1942, when the first scrap drives were organized, the war was far from won, and frightened civilians at all levels were anxious to do something, anything, to help. So campaigns were organized to collect not just metal and rubber but kitchen fat, newspapers, rags, and so on. These drives were extremely successful — millions of tons of material were collected. It was only afterward, contemplating the assembled mounds of junk, that those in charge of the war effort asked themselves: What are we going to do with all this crap?

World War II shortages weren't just home-front propaganda. Japanese conquests in Malaya and the Dutch East Indies cut off access to natural rubber supplies. President Roosevelt urged Americans to turn in "old tires, old rubber raincoats, old garden hose, rubber shoes, bathing caps, gloves," and so on at their local service stations. Just one problem: there wasn't (and still isn't) an efficient way of recycling rubber products. Rubber's complex chemistry and the variety of formulations in use made recycling slow and expensive and the resultant material inferior to virgin rubber. Although the rubber recycling industry did produce a fair amount of material throughout the war, the rubber scrap drive didn't significantly boost its output. The real solution to the rubber shortage was development of synthetic rubber and conservation — gas rationing was primarily meant to save tires, not gas.

Many of the other materials collected couldn't readily be recycled either. Many who lived through the war remember collecting old newspapers, but apart from using them as packing material and such there was little to be done with them. A 1941 aluminum-scrap drive to help the plucky Brits pulled in 70,000 tons of aluminum pots and pans, but only virgin aluminum could be used to manufacture aircraft.

Iron and steel were a different story. These metals could be easily melted down and used for munitions. It's not as if the U.S. lacked domestic sources of iron ore, though. The real challenge was gearing up American industry for war production. That meant everything from increasing steel-making capacity to building more factories and designing better weapons. Recycling of steel and iron unquestionably helped. One campaign netted five million tons of steel in just three weeks, and scrap-metal drives continued for most of the war.

Useful though recycled steel and iron were, some scrap drives went overboard. In addition to old streetcar tracks, wrought iron fences, church bells, and the like, people carted off relics of previous wars, including cannons, park statues, and other memorials. When the memorials were being rebuilt after the war, many wished they hadn't been so hasty.

There's no denying scrap drives and other World War II home-defense efforts were meant in part as morale builders. Some seem pretty loopy in retrospect — air-raid blackouts in Nebraska, for example. But a few were surprisingly effective. In 1943 victory gardens produced 40 percent of the country's fresh vegetables. Salvaged kitchen fat was used to produce glycerin, an ingredient in drugs and explosives. Then there's the Civil Air Patrol, organized in 1941 to watch the coasts and assist in search and rescue operations. Less help than hindrance, right? Not so. In the 18 months before the navy took over patrol duty, the CAP spotted 173 U-boats, located 363 survivors of sunken ships and downed aircraft, and reported 91 ships in distress. Lest you think all home-front volunteers were paunchy air-raid wardens in tin hats.

— Cecil Adams
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Re: Old photos of Bootle

Postby Matt » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:52 am

That answer you posted Fils was all about the USA not GB.
Graham morale booster or not it certainly worked. I remember talking to our neighbour in
the South Park prefabs and asking him why the only railings left in that area were around the
Bootle Cricket Club.His answer "it took years to get that pitch in a beautiful condition and no bl***y
scrap metal dealers were going to stop him watching the Sunday afternoon game war or no war" but he remembered as a young lad
the huge steam trucks(lorries) being loaded with the sawn off pieces of the railings from the park down Wadham to Stanley Road
and along to Emmanuel Church to make as he was told bombs and tanks.
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Re: Old photos of Bootle

Postby filsgreen » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:08 am

I realise that, Matt, but I think the rationale will cross over to the UK. With all due respect, you being informed by a neighbour or a steam truck driver, has the same credibility as my Googled observation and opinion.

Morale boosting propaganda has to be reinforced on all levels, from the Govt. to the collector of the iron. Here is a link that reinforces my opinion.

http://www.londongardenstrust.org/featu ... lings3.htm

Hopefully Graham will have a reliable source for his information. :)

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Re: Old photos of Bootle

Postby graham01 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:32 pm

i was told this first time at school by my history teacher and the second time by steven fry who also said that the scrap was also of very poor quality.graham.
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Re: Old photos of Bootle

Postby Glenys » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:11 pm

The railings had been removed from in front of our home in Knowsley Road, but don't know when they were removed.
Lived Linacre Lane, Trinity Road & Knowsley Road.
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Re: Old photos of Bootle

Postby fatboyjoe90 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:43 am

Moor Lane Crosby 1763? :wink:

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Re: Old photos of Bootle

Postby graham01 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:02 am

The old mill with its ssils.great photo.
Now owned by the uks biggest porn star omah.
Just got back its b and b licensr from sefton council after a ban after comlaints about noisey parties.graham.
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