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Postby Elaine Goulding » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:26 pm

Hi Liz!
I have been following your first post. Unfortunatly I cannot be of any help. However I just want to say how amazed I am at all these lovely people on this site. If you need ANYTHING, trust me someone will help you..What great people they all are.....if just makes me feel even more proud to call myself a scouser!!!! I sincerely hope you find what you are looking for....... at least you can say it won't be for the want of trying on behalf of these lovely people.
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Postby lily8 » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:30 am

Hi Girls do you know I am so intrigued by the Jucanovitch line I am tempted to send for the birth cert myself there is a really good story there I think :shock: :shock: :shock: I have tried every possible spelling and wild cards but still stumped. Maybe the look ups will help?

Elaine thank you for your kind words much appreciated by us all I am sure
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Postby Thommos sister » Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:37 am

Thank you Elaine for your lovely words :)

Hi Lily
The House of Name Crests have it as another spelling for Yankovich.
Poles of Ukranian descent.

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Postby lily8 » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:09 am

Dont think it was Yankovitch somehow, though the name whatever the spelling I believe would have its roots in Russia.
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Postby Thommos sister » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:25 am

Hi Lily :)
Didn't get very far with that one :roll:
I had thought Russian Jews.
Had a play in G.R.U without any luck.

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Postby Thommos sister » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:45 pm

Hi Liz
Wm I found as another brother in baptisms?
I've also found him in 1861 census with his kiddies,coal miner as before in other census.

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marsh villa

Postby charlie mac » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:37 pm

hi liz,i grew up in bootle 60 years ago and marsh villa was a garage/petrol station on orrell rd bootle.they done repairs and sold petrol from there,the owners lived over the garage..it was next to the co-op which was on cinder lane and on the other side was gartside fish and chip shop.dawsons fruit shop,dawsons newsagents.a butchers,irwins smiths,a cobblers and a postoffice,(mcgoughs)the nearest cemetry was bootle cemetry ( which is still there)was about 200 yards away on menai rd.and the walnut tree pub was in between.they pulled it down about 40 years ago but replaced it with a self service garage which is still there today on orrell rd.st robert bellarmines church andschool is about 100 yards away.sorry but i cant remember the name of the owner or his wife and 2 children,i remember it because the name marsh villa was on a big sign over it.hope it helps.cheers
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Postby PETER CRAIG » Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:17 am

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Postby Jan » Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:28 am

:D

Hi Liz,

This is the listing in the 1938 Directory, so it looks like Marsh Villa was many things in the past.

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The Walnut Tree PH is listed then and is still there.

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Postby PETER CRAIG » Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:40 am

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Postby Thommos sister » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:14 am

Hi everyone
The baptism of John Matthew JUCANOVICK took place St Peter's 18th July 1861 father Matthew mariner, mother Louisa address Raffles St.
father not listed as deceased.

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Postby liz_sutton » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:47 pm

thanks for all your help and hard work, this has really been a fascinating insight into my family history. If i can locate the whereabouts of the graves of these ancestors I hope to maybe visit the area sometime in the new year.
Again, thank you all for being so kind and helpful.
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Postby liz_sutton » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:36 am

Hello,
It's been a long time since I first started my research on my family living at Marsh Villa, I have come along way in solving the mystery of the Jucanwich family (it got very complicated!) and this week I am visiting the area for the first time, could any of you tell me where the nearest Cof E cemetary is to the area of Orrell, I am hoping to find my great great grandparents somewhere and there are a LOT of large cemetaries in the area, I don't think we have the time to go to ALL of them!
any ideas are always greatly appreciated,
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Postby BOBHAMO » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:33 pm

Hi liz and welcome back :lol: :lol: bootle cemetary is just down Watts lane
and ford cemetary is a couple of miles away in ford
most of the local burials are in turned here
think Jan has lots of details on info of these cemetaries
hope you find your grave details
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Postby Jan » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:49 pm

:D

HI Liz,

Your John William Sutton passed away in 1893, he left a will to his wife Mary.
The will was 1894.

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Postby Jan » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:33 pm

:D

Liz,

You can rule out Ford or Yew Tree cems, I have had a look for Sutton burials in Ford 1893 nothing coming up there for John W Sutton.

Bootle cem wasn't open until 1913. So my guess could be Anfield, or even St Mary's church cemetery in Bootle, the church isn't there now (bombed in ww2) but there are still some headstones laying flat on the ground and up around the perimeter of the gardens there.

Bootle cem records are at Thornton Garden of rest, but can't be looked up by the public.

Anfield cem registers and St Mary's Bootle are on microfilm at Liverpool RO.

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Postby Jan » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:47 pm

:D :D :D

There you go Liz.

Burial: 13 Dec 1893 St Helen, Sephton, Lancashire, England
John William Sutton -
Age: 65 years
Abode: Orrell Village
Buried by: George W Wall Rector
Register: Burials 1890 - 1899, Page 27, Entry 215
Source: LDS Film 1657556

http://www.sthelenssefton.org.uk/main/research.htm

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Postby lily8 » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:43 pm

Excellant well done Jan :P
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Postby Jan » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:48 pm

:D

Thanks Lily.

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Postby Thommos sister » Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:44 am

Good find Jan, well done!!
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Postby Thommos sister » Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:33 am

Hi Liz, good to see you back.
You must give us a condensed version about the adopted son Charles when you get time :)
John William Sutton 46yrs widr iron broker
married Mary Thomas 24yrs spinster in St John Lpool
7.10.1874
address for both William Moult St
William Sutton father tin plate worker
William Thomas labr
witnesses William Foulkes and ?? intitals Buckley.

I looked in 1871 census thinking perhaps Mary was the maid :wink:
wife Margaret 37 was still alive.
Possibly died in the june qtr 1871 37yrs.

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Postby lily8 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:04 am

Adopted son Charles born Jukanovitch took or perhaps as legally adopted assumed the Sutton name the 1910ish census shows him as a retired iron/metal broker.


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SUTTON, Charles W Head Married M 52 1859 Retired Metal Broker Liverpool LancsW
SUTTON, Elizabeth Ann Wife Married
29 years F 54 1857 Liverpool Lancs
SUTTON, John W Son Single M 28 1883 Bank Clerk Liverpool Lancs
SUTTON, Charles G Son Single M 26 1885 Engineer Fitter Millwright Liverpool Lancs
Linden Cottage Grove Road Wallasey County:
Cheshire
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Postby Thommos sister » Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:16 am

Xclnt find Sister Snoop :D

Chas is using Sutton surname in 1891/1901 census living in Wm Moult St.

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Postby lily8 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:05 am

Cheers oh Wombat one :lol: :lol: :lol:

Will and probate for Charles William:

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Postby Jan » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:14 am

:lol:

Well done girls,

More great wombating.

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Postby Thommos sister » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:17 am

Thanks me dear :)
Enjoy your Easter Sunday!!
I am, it's raining...
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Added: baptism for John William Sutton father Charles Sutton 30th May 1883.
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Postby Thommos sister » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:58 am

Baptism St Peters
John Matthew Jucanwick 8.7.1861
Born 18.12.1860
father Matthew mariner (doesn't say deceased)
mother Louisa
Raffles St.
I've already listed this, oh well, it was in 2009 :roll:

Did we have this one before??
Marriage Thomas Sutton to Louisa Jucanwitch prev Easter
St John Lpool 1865 4th qtr.

Thanks to Anc#
death 21.9 burial 23.9.1860 St Oswald
Matthew Jereanurick

Interesting!
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(off topic for Lily, young Matera wanted back here in the West from the Sons. Wally did play for W.C.E but then he played for Souths, not sure if Dockers may get him. Had to laugh when they won last night, they didn't know their song, bloke held the words up on a placard! GR8 win)
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Postby Thommos sister » Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:21 am

We have the marriage of Louisa 22 (father John) to Matthew 30 (father Antonius) living in Derby St.
in 1851 St Mary's Edge Hill.
Just to add, one of the witnesses was Margaret Sutton.

Baptism Ann Sutton mother Louisa father Thomas carter address as Wavertree, 23 Aug 1869, St Peters.
born 1 July 1869

(and I thought Louisa had died, that's why Chas was adopted :oops: )

1871 Dryden St Scottie
Thomas Sutton 45 bn Wolverhampton labr
Louisa 36 bn Yarmouth
Ann 19mnths bn Lpool

1881 Louisa & Ann and John aged 7yrs, boarding in Kirkdale.
It doesn't give Louisa's marital status.
(John bapt John Wm s/o Thos & Louisa of Scotland Rd
St Peters 12.4.1874)

What happened to John Matthew J.....

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Postby liz_sutton » Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:02 am

hi guys, thanks for finding John William's cemetary, thats going to save me a lot of time! If you see a 30 something woman lurking around your local grave yard, don't panic, it's just me!

I shall attempt to explain the sutton / Jucanwich story....
John William Sutton married Margaret Easter 1856 at St Johns Old Haymarket. Margaret's sister Louisa marries and has two sons with Matthew Jucanwich (a mariner), Matthew dies of bronchitis Sept 1860, their youngest son John is born in December 1860, their eldest son Charles is taken in by John and Margaret, I have been unable to find what happened to the youngest son. The widdowed Louisa marries John Sutton's brother Thomas in 1865 and they have two children (Thomas had been married before, marriage cert claims he is a widow but I think his first wife is still alive and well living with their two children in 1871!)
Margaret died in Benleidi street June 1871
John William marries Mary Thomas in 1874 (their son Alfred is born out of wedlock in 1873!)
and so they all live happily ever after....
When John William Sutton died, he left a large amount to his adopted son Charles including his buisness in William Moult Street.
I have been in contact with the decendants of Charles Juncawich (they are still Suttons - imagine their surprise to discover their surname is actually Jucanwich)
and the decendants of Thomas's children from his first marriage all left for Australia - their decendants are still there.
I have totally failed to find the origins of the surname Jucanwich though!

No one told me when I started the Geneology thing two years ago that it would take over my entire life! (and my partner never expected to spend our holidays searching around graveyards in north England - I think he was hoping to go to Paris)
Many thanks guys :D
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Postby lily8 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:11 pm

Off thread:
(off topic for Lily, young Matera wanted back here in the West from the Sons. Wally did play for W.C.E but then he played for Souths, not sure if Dockers may get him. Had to laugh when they won last night, they didn't know their song, bloke held the words up on a placard! GR8 win)

Hi TS :P saw the young fellow a couple of weeks back he sure looks a chip off the old "Block-Buster think he will go far-Good win eh?? maybe I should come over and give them a few coaching sessions on singing :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Thommos sister » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:01 am

Hi Lily..are you sure about singing lessons :wink:
Hi Liz, many thanks for updates, I'd been wombating away while you were replying.
I can only imagine the Sutton family reaction to Charles "real" name.
What a shock for them.
I'm not sure if Thomas 1st wife alive when he married.
I've found him with Eliza only 22 yrs of age, no kiddies.
He was so much older, do you think he had a wife before Eliza?
Making Louisa number 3??
Like you, I don't know about John Matthew J.
Cheers me dear
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Postby liz_sutton » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:20 am

Just wanted to say thank you to you all, spent a few days in Liverpool and got to visit the grave in Sefton, alas I could not find the grave in st Oswald cemetary though I was told that a few of the graves had been removed. I had a very nice surprise when loitering outside the former home of John Sutton on Anfield road from 1881, after convincing the homeowner I was not crazy (who was asking why on earth I was photographing his house) he very kindly invited me in and gave me a tour of the house!
I would not have managed this without your help.
Thanks all!
Liz :D
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Postby Thommos sister » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:06 am

Thanks for update Liz :)
Wasn't that just great of the home owner?
Lovely result.

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Postby Thommos sister » Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:36 pm

Anymore updates Liz?

Thanks

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Re: Marsh Villa

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:06 am

Loos as if my great grandfather Peter Ascroft and yours were neighbours
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