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Postby filsgreen » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:26 pm

Hi Genies. Could you help my wife out please? She needs any info you can find on her grandad, Thomas Alfred Jones. She doesn't know his DoB, but thinks he was born in Liverpool around 1920. Any help will be much appreciated. Ta :)
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Re: Help

Postby Jan » Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:43 pm

Hi Phil,

We would need more info, does your wife happen to know her great grandmother's maiden name? Did her granddad have any brothers and sisters? If she has names that would be a great help.

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Re: Help

Postby filsgreen » Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:01 pm

Thanks Jan. Her great grandad was Thomas Alfred, he had another son, great uncle James Henry 27/12/1922 and a daughter, great aunt Doreen. They lived in Myrtle gardens in the 1930's my wife's dad was Thomas Edward Jones. DoB 20/12/1939 registered in Liverpool South 1940.
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Re: Help

Postby Jan » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:01 pm

:D

Hi Phil,

This could be your wife's granddad's birth registration

Name:
Thomas A Jones
Mother's Maiden Surname:
Ward
Date of Registration:
Jan-Feb-Mar 1920
Registration district:
West Derby
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Volume Number:
8b
Page Number:
1401

She would have to get a copy of the birth cert to find out his parents names, it has mother's maiden name Ward, but there are a few marriages around that time with Jones to Ward. So I don't know who his parents could be.
This could be his death registration which would fit with the year and quarter.

Name:
Thomas Alfred Jones
Birth Date:
14 Jan 1920
Date of Registration:
Nov 1993
Age at Death:
73
Registration district:
Liverpool
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Register Number:
G10D
District and Subdistrict:
0251G
Entry Number:
137
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Re: Help

Postby Jan » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:05 pm

Phil,

James Henry's birth registration

Name:
James H Jones
Mother's Maiden Surname:
Ward
Date of Registration:
Jan-Feb-Mar 1923
Registration district:
Liverpool
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Volume Number:
8b
Page Number:
148

and his death registration

Name:
James Henry Jones
Birth Date:
27 Dec 1922
Date of Registration:
May 1994
Age at Death:
71
Registration district:
Liverpool
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Register Number:
B13D
District and Subdistrict:
0251B
Entry Number:
84

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Re: Help

Postby Jan » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:23 pm

Phil,

Your wife's granddad was cremated and his remains are in Toxteth Cem
Surname
Forename
Age
Rank
Address
Buried
Folio
Entry
C/N
Section
Grave
Class 
 
JONES
Thomas Alfred, Cremated Remains Of
73 years
-
81 East Damwood Road Speke Liverpool 24
23 November 1993
53
53900
N
GEN A
71
352 CEM 9/2/10

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Re: Help

Postby filsgreen » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:27 pm

Thanks so much, Jan, you're a star. My wife said thank you as well. :)
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Re: Help

Postby Jan » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:36 pm

:D

This is a possible for parents names and marriage.


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1918
Surname
Forename(s)
Surname
Forename(s)
Church / Register Office
Registers At
Reference
JONES
Thomas A
WARD
Mary A
West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended
Liverpool
REG_WD/339/137

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Re: Help

Postby Jan » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:40 pm

:D

BINGO!

I was right with the marriage.

I had another look at Toxteth cem records. all in the same grave. So your wife's granddad and g grandparents are in the same plot.

Toxteth Park Burials
Search Results for grave A/71

Surname
Forename
Age
Rank
Address
Buried
Folio
Entry
C/N
Section
Grave
Class 
 
FALKNER
Eliza
11 years
Infant
6 court Gascoyne Street Howard Street
6 June 1858
156
3113
C
A
71
352 CEM 9/1/1
YEOWARD
Joseph
36 years
Ship Broker
95 Falkner Street
14 January 1871
1736
34683
C
A
71
352 CEM 9/1/7
YEOWARD
Sarah
10 months
Infant
137 Park Street
8 May 1870
1659
33143
C
A
71
352 CEM 9/1/7
JONES
Mary Agnes
74 years
-
6b Myrtle Gardens Liverpool
5 May 1970
2617
52362
N
A
71
352 CEM 9/2/9
JONES
Thomas Arthur
61 years
-
18b Myrtle Gardens Liverpool
5 October 1957
2489
49762
N
A
71
352 CEM 9/2/9
WOLFSON
Doreen and Stillborn Child Of Kenneth & Doreen Wol
36 years
-
6b Myrtle Gardens Liverpool
11 April 1974
3
52890
N
A
71
352 CEM 9/2/10

Mystery solved Phil :D

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Re: Help

Postby filsgreen » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:47 pm

That's great Jan, Rae is very happy with your help. Thanks again :D
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Re: Help

Postby Jan » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:49 pm

:(

Just noticed Phil,

There is a Doreen Wolfson in the same plot, she would be great aunty Doreen. Married name Wolfson, same address as Mary Agnes (her mum).

How sad, she had a still born Child, she only married Kenneth 2 years earlier.

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Re: Help

Postby filsgreen » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:55 pm

Yes Jan, also the 10 month snd 11 yeae old. Who would be the first two occupants in the plot, would it be the family plot of Mary Ward? Because thry have different names
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Re: Help

Postby Jan » Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:17 pm

Hi Phil,

I am not too sure, but I think Mary could have possibly bought the plot, I have no idea who the other people were, probably not related.

Some of my family are in Toxteth cem, all in the same plot along with other people, but no relation.

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Re: Help

Postby filsgreen » Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:19 pm

That's weird Jan, but then it was the 19c. Thanks for verifying. :)
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