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Postby marknjen » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:36 pm

HI GUYS, Bernards family end up in Bootle so need your help please!
Bernard McDermott married Jane Clapham, kids Mary,John,Alice,william,Thomas and Bernard Jnr.
ive found Janes relations but im a bit stuck on Bernard, Im thinking i could have him in 1851 with mother Mary Dacey and Peter McDermott
1861 same family but father Peter has died! although in 1851 his name is Byran or Byron! his brothers all match up date of births date wise !
so i cant find marriage for Bernard and Jane, also date of birth for Bernard, going on census records it could be 1843 IRELAND!
1851
Piece 2184
Folio 458
Page number 27

1861
Piece 2690
Folio 69
Page number 48
thanks
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Re: Bernard mcdermott

Postby marknjen » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:01 pm

I'm thinking maybe Jane married first before marrying Bernard...this would explain why kids have mothers maiden name as Clapham...soooo I looking for someone who married a Jane Clapham then check to see if that surname matches a marriage between Bernard McDermott and Jane whoever! This would explain why I and it looks like you guys canny find McDermott marriage to Clapham... :roll:
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Re: Bernard mcdermott

Postby marknjen » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:54 pm

Anyone? Anything? :?
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Re: Bernard mcdermott

Postby marknjen » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:49 pm

Here's how I got to Bernard,

Ian David McDermott son of

David McDermott dob 15/06/1950 Aileen Robertson 11/11/1955

David's parents James McDermott dob 9th may 1908 Liverpool.mother Emma Jane Beatrice hill dob 2 Sep 1909 west Derby

James father is William E McDermott dob 4 th august 1878 Liverpool..mother Mary Bowman 21 Sep 1881 temple st Newcastle

I have GROs for all above last being William McDermott mothers maiden name Clapham 1878 S quarter in Liverpool volume 08b

Marriage date 6 Aug 1905....parish Liverpool st Simon, spouse name Mary bowman...fathers name Bernard McDermott, spouse father name James bowman
Ref number 283SIM/3/9
On the cert William...bachelor ...is a Carter...living 8 villeses st...Bernard is a labourer !


Please ask any questions if you think I've taken wrong turn!
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Re: Bernard mcdermott

Postby marknjen » Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:58 pm

I right in thinking this is a real brick wall then! Over 100 views and nobody can knock it down....I'm going through everything I have to double double check I haven't gone wrong somewhere.... :?
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Re: Bernard mcdermott

Postby Jan » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:17 pm

Hi Mark,

I have been having a look to see if anything comes up, nothing so far for a possible marriage.

I had a look at William McDermott's marriage, the address is Viliers Street.

I did find Bernard and Jane in 1871 census, but it is a misspelling of the surname Bernard is listed on ancestry as Bennett McDonnall, wife Jane, daughter Mary E son John and Jane's brother listed as Johann Clapham (Thomas Clapham).

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Re: Bernard mcdermott

Postby marknjen » Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:26 pm

thanks Jan,
yes I think I have Bernard in 81,91,1901 too

1881
Name Bernard Mc Dermot
Age 38
Estimated Birth Year abt 1843
Relationship to Head Head
Spouse Jane Mc Dermot
Gender Male
Where born Liverpool
Civil parish Liverpool
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 2-15 Blandford Street
Marital Status Married
Occupation Labourer
Registration district Liverpool
Sub registration district Islington
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Piece 3629
Folio 67
Page number 19
Household Members
Name Age
Bernard Mc Dermot 38
Jane Mc Dermot 34
Mary H. Mc Dermot 13
John Mc Dermot 11
Alice Mc Dermot 6
William Mc Dermot 2
Thos.H. Mc Dermot

1891 with his brother william
Name Bernarol McDermott
Age 42
Estimated Birth Year abt 1849
Relation Brother
Gender Male
Where born Mayo, Ireland
Civil parish Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish St David
Town Liverpool
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Liverpool
Sub registration district Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel 5
Piece 2913
Folio 136
Page number 31
Household Members
Name Age
William McDermott 54
Catherine McDermott 53
Bernarol McDermott 42
Thomas McDermott 10
Bernard McDermott 3
Caroline Cyuck

1901
Name Bernard Mc Demott
Age 58
Estimated Birth Year abt 1843
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Ireland
Civil parish Liverpool
Search Photos Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ecclesiastical parish Christchurch
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Liverpool
Sub-registration district Islington
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Piece 3423
Folio 35
Page number 18
Household schedule number 115
Household Members
Name Age
Bernard Mc Demott 58
Mary E Mc Demott 34
Thomas Mc Demott 17
Bernard Mc Demott 16
Elizabeth Reams
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Re: Bernard mcdermott

Postby marknjen » Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:47 pm

"I have been having a look to see if anything comes up, nothing so far for a possible marriage"

I know Jan,this must be the hardest tree I've done so far...can't even find a possible d.o.b for Bernard either,
Going on the various census it seems Ireland Mayo could be the place! Thanks again Jan
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Re: Bernard mcdermott

Postby marknjen » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:56 am

Looking at census Bernard and family seemed to live in around lime st and London road area of city centre
Also found this
Kempston Street has quite a history. It was once known as Finch Street and in 1868 it became Blandford Street. Blandford Street was notorious in Victorian Liverpool. No less than 235 'houses of ill fame' (brothels) could be found on the street. Their presence was openly tolerated by the police in Liverpool.
In 1889, the Liverpool Citizen carried a report on the 'traps for hell' on Blandford Street. One wealthly Liverpool businessman was enticed onto Blandford Street for a late night drink. The street was also known as a place to have a drink after the pubs had shut. The businessman stayed on the street for three months. There are other reports of men visiting there and never leaving.
In 1891, so bad was the streets reputation that its name was changed to Kempston Street.

Interesting Jane MCDermott death is at Finch Street!
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