Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:54 am

Alderman Peter Ascroft as Mayor of Bootle, and three of his daughters (Edith, Gladys and Mabel) in 1901
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:19 am

Ernest Henry Woods (1880-1918), husband of Edith May née Ascroft (1886-1981). The picture of him in uniform is creased from 60 years of being caressed by his widow.

Ernest Henry Woods was born at Bootle in 1881, the son of Charles and Ellen Woods.

He married Edith Mary Ascroft at St.Thomas' C.of E. Church, Melling on the 5th June 1907.

Ernest and Edith had three children. The two eldest, Gladys Mable and Alfred Ernest were born in Canada in 1908 and 1910. A daughter, Edith May, was born in the West Derby Registration District on 1.10.1918.

A report on Ernest's death appeared in the Bootle Times on the 20th December 1918.

SON-IN-LAW OF BOOTLE ALDERMAN.
Numerous friends in Bootle and Orrell will learn with regret of the death of Mr. Ernest Henry Woods, of the Royal Air Force, who died at Formby on Tuesday from pneumonia supervening on influenza. An especially sad circumstance of his death at the early age of 37 years was the fact he was home on twelve days leave. Since sympathy is felt for his widow, a daughter of the late Alderman Peter Ascroft, of "Lurlie," Breeze-hill, Bootle. The funeral takes place at Bootle Borough Cemetery this (Friday) afternoon at 2 p.m.
Bootle Times 20th December 1918



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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby lily8 » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:12 pm

Good morning Henry they are lovely photos and see nice to see the people we have been searching for, I have a little more information for you on Ernest and Edith in Canada. in 1911 they are residing at 402 grave street (I have been unable to trace a Grave street and suspect it may have been mistranscribed) in the enumeration district 57 Calgary. At this address are Ernest 30, Edith 25, Mabel born feb 1908 3, and Alfred born July 1910 11/12ths. Arrival date to Canada Ernest 1904 and Edith 1906, Ernest is listed as Manager Lumber yard with an annual salary of $1200.00 (1910 earnings). A search of Lumber yards shows very many so can't hazard a guess at which one, you may find the following link interesting as to life in Calgary:::

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=Yy ... 11&f=false

I find it really intriguing that both Ellen/Nellie and Constance also ended up in Calgary.
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:10 am

Thsts wonderfull! I searched the Canadian census and found nothing.

Interesting that my grandfather went out first. I think they married in 1906 so he must have come back for her.

Yes I was struck by the fact that Nellie arrived in Calgary at about the time my grandparents left. Perhaps Calgary was much talked about in Bootle. Or maybe my grandmother fixed Nellie up with a job as a way of getting rid of her for her brother.
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby lily8 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:36 am

It would seem that Ellen/Nellie lived to a good age in Calgary living to 90 odd, I finally had a look at the divorce petition of Flash Harry and Nellie and as was the case in those rather flowery language and now obsolete meanings( I have a couple of real doozies in my family tree from around the same era) and I noted that the solicitor for Harry was W H Quilliam. I would think that he was retained by Harrys father as there is mention of Nellie discussing the matter at Lurlei with Peter Ascroft, with WH Quilliam in attendance. I had reason to research Mr Quilliam some time back and thought you might be interested. The following is from Wiki

William Henry Quilliam (10 April 1856[1][2][3] – 23 April 1932), who changed his name to Abdullah Quilliam and later Henri Marcel Leon or Haroun Mustapha Leon, was a 19th-century convert from Christianity to Islam, noted for founding England's first mosque and Islamic centre.

William Henry Quilliam was born at 22 Eliot Street, Liverpool, on 10 April 1856, to a wealthy local family. He spent most of his childhood on the Isle of Man and was brought up as a Methodist. He was educated at the Liverpool Institute and the Manx King William's College.[4]
He became a solicitor in 1878, specialising in criminal law, and practising at 28 Church Street, Liverpool.[5] He was described at one point by the Liverpool Weekly Courier as the "unofficial Attorney-General of Liverpool". He defended suspects in many high-profile murder cases. He married Hannah Johnstone in 1879.[4] At this time, Quilliam was also a proponent of the temperance movement in the UK.[6]

Quilliam converted to Islam in 1887 after visiting Morocco to recover from an illness. Quilliam purchased numbers 8, 11 and 12 Brougham Terrace, Liverpool, following his conversion, through a donation from Nasrullah Khan, Crown Prince of Afghanistan. 8 Brougham Terrace became the Liverpool Muslim Institute, the first functioning mosque in Britain. He also opened a boarding school for boys and a day school for girls, as well as an orphanage, Medina House, for non-Muslim parents who could not look after their children but agreed for them to be brought up as Muslims. In addition, the Institute hosted educational classes covering a wide range of subjects, and included a museum and science laboratory.[4] It opened on Christmas Day, 1889.[7]
In 1889, he first published The Faith of Islam, which was concerned with dawah to Islam and its key principles.[7] Initially, 2000 copies were published, but a further 3000 copies were produced in 1890.[4] Quilliam also published The Crescent, a weekly account of Muslims in Britain, and Islamic World, a monthly publication with a worldwide audience.[4] In 1890, Quilliam orchestrated protests against the showing of Hall Caine's play, Mahomet. 1891 saw the first public Muslim burial in Liverpool, of Michael Hall, a former Methodist preacher who converted to Islam.[5]
The 26th and final Ottoman Caliph, Abdul Hamid II, granted Quilliam the title of Sheikh al-Islam for the British Isles. Also, the Emir of Afghanistan recognised him as the Sheikh of Muslims in Britain and he was appointed as Persian Vice Counsel in Liverpool by the Shah.[4]
A number of notables converted to Islam as a result of Quilliam's preaching. They included professors Nasrullah Warren and Haschem Wilde, as well as Resched P. Stanley, the former Mayor of Staleybridge. It is estimated that around 600 people converted to Islam in the UK as a direct result of Quilliam's work.[4]
He travelled extensively and received many honours from the leaders of the Islamic world. He had contact with English-speaking West African Muslims and toured the region's coastal cities on his way to Lagos to attend the consecration of the Shitta Bey Mosque in 1894.[8]
Quilliam's work in Liverpool stopped when he left England in 1908 in advance of being struck off as a solicitor.[9][10] His son swiftly disposed of the property that had been used as a mosque and Islamic centre. Without Quilliam's influence and funding, the Muslim community in Liverpool dispersed.
He had returned to the UK by December 1914 under the name of H. M. Leon.[11] He spent much of his time at Onchan on the Isle of Man. He died in Taviton Street, Bloomsbury, London in 1932,[12] and was buried in Brookwood Cemetery near Woking. The prominent Anglo-Muslims Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall (who each translated the Qur'an), and Lord Headley were later buried near him.
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Quilliam argued that Muslims should not fight Muslims on behalf of European powers.[13] He denounced British foreign policy in Sudan[14] and called for a worldwide Caliphate.[15] It was as a result of his political views and his allegiance to the Ottoman Caliph that led some to denounce him as a traitor.[16]
Legacy[edit]
His legacy is principally maintained by the Abdullah Quilliam Society, which was founded in 1996. The society is currently aiming to restore the Liverpool Muslim Institute on Brougham Terrace, and is in the process of completing Phases Three and Four of this restoration.[17] The society has been assisted by academics including Ron Geaves, formerly of Liverpool Hope University, and Mehmet Seker of Dokuz Eylül University. The society also offers university student accommodation.[18]
The Quilliam Foundation, a think tank aimed at challenging extremist Islamist ideologies, was launched in 2008
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:03 am

Thats amazing, I have heard about Quilliam before. A very dodgy character.

Gosh this story is full of colourful characters.

I suspected that Peter was behind his son's jactitation case, its clear he was behind the divorce or at least supported it.

Meanwhile I have corresponded with an Ascroft 2nd cousin ( another descendant of Peter's) - I didnt ask if she minds me mentioning her so I won't just in case.

She told me that Peter disowned his son and all the other sons and grandchildren involved in rent collecting were strictly forbidden to date tenants or servants or other employees thereafter.

You didnt mention the date of the divorce?
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby lily8 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:17 am

Sorry if I confused it was the same case you mentioned earlier started 1905

BTW you may have a cousin still living (child of Marion who lost her husband in WW2) let me know if you want the details and I will pm them.
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:05 am

Sorry I meant to ask, did you find any evidence of what Nellie and Constance did for the rest of their lives? Did Nellie and Albert Prime have children? Did Constance marry? Maybe they have living descendents? If so they would be my quite close relatives, as Constance was my mother's first cousin.
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:07 am

Crossed messages, yes Id really like to be in touch with any descendants of Alderman Peter Ascroft and his brothers, thank you very much.
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby lily8 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:02 pm

Sorry way past my bedtime here in Australia but will contact you tomorrow re possible family in Canada and in the UK
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby graham01 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:55 pm

just looked at the thread MARSH VILLA from 2009 and one post from bob hamo lists peter herbert ascoft as ling at the hawthornes in orrell road.graham.
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby lily8 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:23 am

Finding Constance was quite a challenge as there are no BMD's online I found a grave reference for Ellen/Nellie Ascroft Prime (nee Foley) she had a long life exceeding 90 years. Of Constance no trace until I found a border crossing for Ellen and her husband and both listed a David (couldn't attempt a try at surname as too badly written) as a son in law. This led me to thinking that Constance was dead (early 1940's) so I tried for a grave in Calgary and finally came up with a Constance Drinnan died 1936. Following that I found a family tree on Ancestry showing a David Drinnan but with wife and children listed as Private. I know that David Drinnan married a second time so the hildren and there are a lot of them may or may not belong to Constance. I have no evidence to back any of this up other than the crossing record, so with your permission I would send a message to the tree holder to see if they can confirm??????

The other likely one is Marians son Cecil Pritchard, Marian remarried a Mr Brewerton in Fylde in 1951 and lived in that area, as I live in Australia may be easier for you to check directories etc in that area.

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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:53 am

Nice one Sherlock! Yes please go ahead and contact them ( I don't see that you need my permission!) and do mention that Id be interested in being in touch. By the way I have a tree on geni.com
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby otapiri » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:54 am

Great to read this discussion thread. My husband's descended from Peter's brother John Ascroft (1839-1891) who married Margaret Wilde. They lived at No. 51 Linacre Road, above their chandler's shop, and the property stayed in the family until after World War 2. I would be interested to know if it's still there? I'm visiting Liverpool in April.
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:32 pm

Hello Lesley,

Ive been thinking of visiting Bootle in April (I live in Luxembourg). Perhaps we could meet up?

My email is vonb@pt.lu
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby BOBHAMO » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:49 pm

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no 51 linacre road
1900 Margeret Ascroft chandler
1911 William Bailley
1938 Miss M,A,MG Bailley
1949 Miss MA,MG Bailley
1962 T McNamee
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:41 pm

Excellent timeline of photos.

If I understand right, the post office on the corner was no 49, so the one to the right of it was the Ascroft chandlers' shop (no 51). It looks as if it has been rebuilt- maybe it took a bomb hit?
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby BOBHAMO » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:48 pm

No 53 is the end shop then the chandlers and the post office
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:12 pm

Did the numbering change perhaps? In the modern pic you can clearly see that Art4design is the end shop, and also it is numbered 49.
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby BOBHAMO » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:32 pm

Sorry no 49 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby BOBHAMO » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:13 pm

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is it Peter 3rd from the right
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:28 pm

I don't think that's Peter 3rd from right, and he seems to be with a lady who definitely isn't Sarah Ascroft.

But now you mention it, do you think that could be Peter Ascroft at extreme right?
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby HvonBlumenthal » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:02 pm

Another portrait of Peter Ascroft as mayor.

His mayoralty seems to have straddled the years 1900-1

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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby otapiri » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:19 am

Yes, that's correct, his mayoralty was 1900/1901 according to the Bootle Centenary Supplement I have a copy of. His obituary also says he became mayor in 1900.

Thanks so much bobhamo for the information about No. 51 Linacre Road. I love the old photos and the confirmation she was running the shop in 1911, 20 years after her husband died. Yes it was bombed during the war (I have the correspondence with War Damages Commission) and the modern photo confirms I the building has changed so much that I can spend my limited time in Liverpool elsewhere.

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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby BOBHAMO » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:42 am

Lesley linacre road area was full of shops
the shop was still open in 1968 i must haved walked past hundreds
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Peter was still a derby ward councillor
it does look like peter on the end
another snippet from 1895 Peter objected to new pubs being opened
it states he was the owner of 150 houses in the area
where was he buried????
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby lily8 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:50 am

HvonBlumenthal wrote:Nice one Sherlock! Yes please go ahead and contact them ( I don't see that you need my permission!) and do mention that Id be interested in being in touch. By the way I have a tree on geni.com


I sent off a message today and hopefully we will get a reply further checking reveals 2 David Drinnans born within 5 years of each and living in Calgary (what odds on that :shock: ) so fingers crossed.
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Re: Peter Ascroft, Mayor of Bootle 1900

Postby lily8 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:44 am

Still awaiting an answer from person in Canada, but thought you might like to know that Flash Harry got a mention all the way down under in the Sydney Morning Herald 1906 (don't bother with the translation it's rubbish have a look at the article;;;;;;

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/artic ... l-title=35
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