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Football History - Bootle FC/Tranmere Rovers

Postby Hajri3 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:34 pm

Hello
I'm looking for some background to a football club which I think was called Bootle FC or maybe JFC. I have been told my grandfather founded the club but looking online seems improbable as this seems to have been founded circa 1860??? thereabouts. So I'm thinking he probably founded a team for my father's age which again not sure of as both have passed away. My grandfather was called Harold Smith and my father also Harold Thomas Smith also known as "Harry" or "H" born in 1953 so the team maybe late 50's and early 60's. I know my father also played for other clubs but again not sure which one's I do know he was picked for Tranmere Reserves around the 70's and I do know he played for Scots Bakery where he worked at the time . I know that he was regularly in the local newspapers as I have seen the clipping my grandmother kept but I only have one of him. I'm looking for any information really photos, stories if you played with him etc anything really to pass on to my children (sad I know) I know my father was also a keen cricketer and I think played for county . Also my father's mother was Mary Smith nee Lawless if anyone has any knowledge regarding her, particularly parentage this would be most appreciated as ancestry.com blows my mind!! Sorry for the long post and apologies if this does not belong here. Thanks Claire
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Re: Football History - Bootle FC/Tranmere Rovers

Postby lily8 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:34 pm

Hi and welcome to our Forum, sorry I cant help with the sports side but maybe with some family history to kick it off::::

Mary Lawless and Harold T Smith Married in 1947, Harold T Smith was born 1927 I believe the son of Harold Smith and Sarah McGrane who married in 1927. Sarah was born Liverpool 1904, hard to trace Harold with that very common surname but will be back later with more.
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Re: Football History - Bootle FC/Tranmere Rovers

Postby lily8 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:39 pm

Baptismal record for Sarah Mcgrane::

Sara McGrane
Birth Date:
20 Mar 1904
Baptism Date:
28 Mar 1904
Parish:
St Sylvester (Sylvestri), Lancashire, England
Father's name:
Jacobi Mcgrane (James)
Mother's name:
Maria Anna Nugent
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Re: Football History - Bootle FC/Tranmere Rovers

Postby lily8 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:41 pm

1911ish census for the McGrane Family as the husband is not listed I will check if he was possibly a mariner

Sarah McGrane
Age in 1911:
7
Estimated birth year:
abt 1904
Relation to Head:
Daughter
Gender:
Female
Birth Place:
Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:
Bootle cum Linacre
42 Boswell Street Bootle
Household Members:
Name
Age
Mary Ann McGrane
32
Mary McGrane
15
Thomas Patrick McGrane
10
Sarah McGrane
7
Elizabeth McGrane
5
Esther McGrane
3
Margaret McGrane
1
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Re: Football History - Bootle FC/Tranmere Rovers

Postby lily8 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:54 pm

As you can see from the records of the marriage James was also known as Daniel

If you are SURE that our transcription(s) below differs from the GRO index, you can submit a correction request by clicking on the Info button to the right of the entry in question.



Marriages Mar 1895   (>99%)
  
McGrane
 Daniel James
 
 Liverpool
 8b
194
  
McGrane
 James Daniel
 
 Liverpool
 8b
194
  
Nugent
 Mary Ann
 
 Liverpool
 8b
194
  
Nugery
 Mary Ann
 
 Liverpool
 8b
194
  
Nugest
 Mary Ann
 
 Liverpool
 8b
194

There are records of a catholic marriage between a Daneil McGrane and Mary Ann Nugent which I will copy for your records.
  
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Re: Football History - Bootle FC/Tranmere Rovers

Postby lily8 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:00 am

Annam Nugent
Marriage Date:
25 Feb 1895
Parish:
St Alban Church, Lancashire, England
Spouse's Name:
Danielem McGrane
Father's name:
Joannis Nugent
Spouse Father's Name:
Patritii Mcgrane
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Re: Football History - Bootle FC/Tranmere Rovers

Postby Hajri3 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:15 am

Thank you lily8
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Re: Football History - Bootle FC/Tranmere Rovers

Postby Jan » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:32 pm

:D

Great finds Lily,

It's possible Mary Lawless was born in 1924

Name:
Mary Lawless
Mother's Maiden Surname:
Moorcroft
Date of Registration:
Jan-Feb-Mar 1924
Registration district:
Liverpool
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Volume Number:
8b
Page Number:
40

I found a marriage in 1908 which could possibly be her parents (Lancashire BMD) ref numbers

Forename(s)
Church / Register Office
Registers At
Reference
LAWLESS
William
MOORCROFT
Ellen
Kirkdale, St. Aidan
Liverpool
2015WD/3/204

I would suggest getting Harold and Mary's marriage cert to confirm father's names and occupations.

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Re: Football History - Bootle FC/Tranmere Rovers

Postby BOBHAMO » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:20 pm

Hi and welcome : :D :D
with your dad being in are age group for football
mabe he played also for a pub team
if you know where he had a pint there might be more chance
of somebody who has played or against your dad
cant remember anyone with your dads name
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Re: Football History - Bootle FC/Tranmere Rovers

Postby Jan » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:00 pm

Just in case I am on the right track, I found the marriage on Lancashire on line parish clerks project website

Marriage: 25 Apr 1908 St Aidan, Kirkdale, Lancs.
William Lawless - 22, Labourer, Bachelor, 3 in 5 Court, Boundary St.
Ellen Moorcroft - 21, Spinster, 149 Boundary St.
    Groom's Father: Christopher Lawless, Deceased, Labourer
    Bride's Father: William Moorcroft, Deceased, Sailor
    Witness: William Jackson, (X); Jane Routledge, (X)
    Married by Banns by: Maurice W. Larcombe, Vicar
    Register: Marriages 1901 - 1914, Page 102, Entry 204
    Source: LDS Film 1546108

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Re: Football History - Bootle FC/Tranmere Rovers

Postby Hajri3 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:17 pm

Thanks everyone for your help. Jan this sounds right as her dob 31.12.23 but I'll get the marriage certificate to confirm.

Bobhamo I'll check with mum.

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