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Hi peeps I need help please! I'm in contact with a lady who is related to Klondyke Bill, she has no info whatsoever re her family sadly, I've found her fathers birth,marriage and death,

Walter Albert Jones he married Christina Noel Clarke.
B:26 Mar 1903 Bootle, Lancashire, England
D: Jan 1987 Sefton South, Merseyside, England
Walter is the son of Charles and Margret Ann Jones.

That's where I'm stuck at! I can't find Walter on 1911 census?
I've got someone else who's done Klondyke Bills Tree
So just need to find out more about Charles Jones to join them to their tree!

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A possible perhaps ???
Last name
Jones
Relationship
Son
Sex
Male
Occupation
School
Age
8
Birth year
1903
Birth place
Bootle Lancs
Address
15 Florida St Bootle
Parish
Bootle cum Linacre
County
Lancashire
Country
England
Charles
Jones
Head
-
Male
Engineer Mechanical
48
1863
Manchester Lancs

Margaret
Jones
Wife
-
Female
-
40
1871
Llannelly Wales

Robert
Jones
Son
-
Male
School
13
1898
Bootle Lancs

Emily
Jones
Daughter
-
Female
School
11
1900
Bootle Lancs

Walter
Jones
Son
-
Male
School
8
1903
Bootle Lancs

Mary
Jones
Daughter
-
Female
School
5
1906
Bootle Lancs

Joseph
Jones
Son
-
Male
-
3
1908
Bootle Lancs
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15 Florida street, spot on lilly :wink:
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Charles Jones 15 florida st 1911
no sign of walter there are 19 listed in liverpool any idea of job discription?????
Walter Albert Jones 115 Clare road 1938
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BOBHAMO wrote:Charles Jones 15 florida st 1911
no sign of walter there are 19 listed in liverpool any idea of job discription?????
Walter Albert Jones 115 Clare road 1938
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Hi Bob,
Not sure what you mean? Are you thinking Walter isn't on the 1911 census with Charles?
His name isn't very clear it looks more watter Jones than Walter you see,

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Thanks for finding Walter in 1938 too Bob :wink:
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Also I'm bit worried if Charles is born in Manchester how's he going to be related to klondyke Bill? :?
I'll keep exploring tho!
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Mark if he got married 1903
on the 1911 cencus he is down as 8 years old
seems strange if charles is from manchester
THere are 3 good books
klondyke kaleidoscope
one hundred years and more a history of orrell
and a book by Lalla Mc dermott my life in orrell
all these books have loads on the jones family
the last family member died in 1986 Harold Glynne Jones
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Hi Bob,
I've read the books thanks :wink:
Sorry Walter was Born 1903 not married! 26 mar 1903 is March sorry not married!
I've looked at Charles and Margret in 1911 census too, it say they've been married 17 years so they married 1894,
going to search and see what comes up
Cheers
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2 Possible birth entries both March quarter 1903 mothers maiden names Parry and Roberts.
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Thanks lilly,
What you think about this, Margret was born in Wales too! She's also down as Marg J Jones too?

Charles Jones
Registration Year: 1894
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Aberystwith
Parishes for this Registration District.
Inferred County: Cardiganshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 59
Records on Page:
Name
Mary Lewis Daniel
Charles Jones
David Lewis Jones
Margaret Jane Parry
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Dam...maybe not...here's same family in 1911 wales Aberystwyth

Charles Jones. 38
Margaret Jane Jones 35
Mona Parry Jones 14
Annie Jane Jones 13
Stanley Jorwerth Radford Jones 6
Jane Parry 68
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marknjen wrote:Dam...maybe not...here's same family in 1911 wales Aberystwyth
Married 1894 in Aberystwyth
Charles Jones. 38
Margaret Jane Jones 35
Mona Parry Jones 14
Annie Jane Jones 13
Stanley Jorwerth Radford Jones 6
Jane Parry 68
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sorry married in 1984 Aberystwyth too! :(
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Hit a brick wall here with Charlie and Margret Anne...really thought that was them who married in Aberystwyth :(
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Has anyone any ideas on how to find more info on Charlie from Manchester? Please?
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Ive found this
Charles Jones
Birth Date: 26 Nov 1863
Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1864
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: John Jones
Mother's name: Jane Jones
Archive Roll: 771

It's in Manchester, fits in with 1863 birth year and Charles brothers all have John as middle names and the girls have Jane as middle names too! What you guys think?
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Also if it helps...on Emily Jane Jones (Charlie's daughter) wedding in 1921 Charlie's down as deceased, so we know he died before 1921!
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marknjen wrote:Ive found this
Charles Jones
Birth Date: 26 Nov 1863
Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1864
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: John Jones
Mother's name: Jane Jones
Archive Roll: 771

It's in Manchester, fits in with 1863 birth year and Charles brothers all have John as middle names and the girls have Jane as middle names too! What you guys think?
Also John (Charlie's father) is down as engine driver so the engine theme is here too!
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Using the new GRO link ...maybe I couldn't find Walters mums maiden name because she was a JONES too?
The birth quarter is bit out??

Results:
Name: JONES, WALTER ALBERT order
Mothers maiden name, JONES Order
GRO Reference: 1903
J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 352 Order

Any ideas peeps? Do you think this could be my Walter and his mam is called Margret Jones then?
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Going on the above basis
I've found this
Margaret J. Jones
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Evan Jones
Mother's name: Margaret Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Cilybebill
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: Banwen
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Pontardawe
Sub registration district: Pontardawe
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http://newspapers.library.wales/search? ... %5B%5D=eng
Mark here is a link to welsh newspapers from 1800
you might get a lucky break :D :D :D :D
some interesting articals on bootle
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BOBHAMO wrote:http://newspapers.library.wales/search? ... %5B%5D=eng
Mark here is a link to welsh newspapers from 1800
you might get a lucky break :D :D :D :D
some interesting articals on bootle
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Cheers Bob, canny find any Bootle stories tho?
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Mark go to search within results type bootle and click
i have been looking at the years 1890 on wards
some great items
http://newspapers.library.wales/search? ... %5B%5D=eng
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marknjen wrote:Going on the above basis
I've found this
Margaret J. Jones
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Evan Jones
Mother's name: Margaret Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Cilybebill
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: Banwen
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Pontardawe
Sub registration district: Pontardawe
Orrrr
1891 England census
Name: Margaret A Jones
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John T Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Bootle
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country:

Household has familiar names Walter,Emily John,Joseph to name but a few !
Name Age
John T Jones 50
Margaret A Jones 39
William R Jones 22
Margaret A Jones 20
Emily Jones 18
Ada J Jones 16
John O Jones 14
Walter A Jones 10
Joseph A H Jones 9
Jessie L S Jones 8
Hugh M V Jones 2
Lilian G E Jones 1
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BOBHAMO wrote:Mark go to search within results type bootle and click
i have been looking at the years 1890 on wards
some great items
http://newspapers.library.wales/search? ... %5B%5D=eng
bobhamo
Wowza superb cheers Bob :wink:
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What you clever lot think then please? Margret and John T Jones with Walter Emily Joseph as names that go on to be used later by Charles and Margret ? Kind of all fits in nicely??? Or am I just hoping...I need some clever genie magic please
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1891 England census
Name: Margaret A Jones
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John T Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Bootle
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country:

Household has familiar names Walter,Emily John,Joseph to name but a few !
Name Age
John T Jones 50
Margaret A Jones 39
William R Jones 22
Margaret A Jones 20
Emily Jones 18
Ada J Jones 16
John O Jones 14
Walter A Jones 10
Joseph A H Jones 9
Jessie L S Jones 8
Hugh M V Jones 2
Lilian G E Jones


Birth
1870 • Llanelly Carmarthenshire, Wales
Name: JONES, MARGARET ANN
Mothers maiden: RICHARDS
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 602 Order
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Re Charles route I don't think this leads to Wiliam klondyke Jones
I found a birth for Charles 26 Nov 1863 in the same church as his parents marriage see below

Robert John Jones
Birth Year abt 1839
Marriage Date 17 Jun 1861
Parish Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name John Jones
Spouse's Name Jane Stopford
Spouse's Father's Name James Stopford
Archive Roll 729
Household Members
Name Age
Robert John Jones
Jane stopford

Here's What I found but the name isn't Robert it's John! I'm wondering if he used his middle name for Charles birth! And used his full name at marriage?

Charles Jones
Birth Date: 26 Nov 1863
Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1864
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: John Jones
Mother's name: Jane Jones
Archive Roll: 771
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marknjen wrote:1891 England census
Name: Margaret A Jones
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John T Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Bootle
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country:

Household has familiar names Walter,Emily John,Joseph to name but a few !
Name Age
John T Jones 50
Margaret A Jones 39
William R Jones 22
Margaret A Jones 20
Emily Jones 18
Ada J Jones 16
John O Jones 14
Walter A Jones 10
Joseph A H Jones 9
Jessie L S Jones 8
Hugh M V Jones 2
Lilian G E Jones


Birth
1870 • Llanelly Carmarthenshire, Wales
Name: JONES, MARGARET ANN
Mothers maiden: RICHARDS
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 602 Order
1891
74 Keble Road
Bootle cum Linacre
Class: RG12; Piece: 2971; Folio: 42; Page: 18
John T Jones 50 Dock Foreman Holywell Flints
Margaret A Jones 39 Liverpool maiden name Richards !
William R Jones 22 St Helens
Margaret A Jones 20 Llanelly Carm
Emily Jones 18 Llanelly Carm
Ada J Jones 16 Llanelly Carm
John O Jones 14 Llanelly Carm
Walter A Jones 10 liverpool
Joseph A H Jones 9 Liverpool
Jessie L S Jones 8 Liverpool
Hugh M V Jones 2 Liverpool
Lilian G E Jones 1 Liverpool
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[quote="marknjen"]Re Charles route I don't think this leads to Wiliam klondyke Jones
I found a birth for Charles 26 Nov 1863 in the same church as his parents marriage see below

Robert John Jones
Birth Year abt 1839
Marriage Date 17 Jun 1861
Parish Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name John Jones
Spouse's Name Jane Stopford
Spouse's Father's Name James Stopford
Archive Roll 729
Household Members
Name Age
Robert John Jones
Jane stopford

Here's What I found but the name isn't Robert it's John! I'm wondering if he used his middle name for Charles birth! And used his full name at marriage?

Charles Jones
Birth Date: 26 Nov 1863
Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1864
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: John Jones
Mother's name: Jane Jones
Archive Roll: 771



Charles Jones
Age in 1911 48
Estimated Birth Year abt 1863
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Bootle cum Linacre
Search Photos Bootle cum Linacre, Lancashire, England
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 15 Florida Street Bootle Lancs
Marital Status Married
Occupation Engineer Mechanic
Registration district West Derby
Registration District Number 455
Sub-registration district Bootle
ED, institution, or vessel 15
Piece 22421
Household Members
Name Age
Charles Jones 48
Margaret Jones 40
Robert Jones 13
Emily Jones 11
Matter Jones 8. Walter not matter!
Mary Jones 5
Joseph Jones
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[quote="marknjen"][quote="marknjen"]Re Charles route I don't think this leads to Wiliam klondyke Jones
I found a birth for Charles 26 Nov 1863 in the same church as his parents marriage see below

Robert John Jones
Birth Year abt 1839
Marriage Date 17 Jun 1861
Parish Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name John Jones
Spouse's Name Jane Stopford
Spouse's Father's Name James Stopford
Archive Roll 729
Household Members
Name Age
Robert John Jones
Jane stopford

Here's What I found but the name isn't Robert it's John! I'm wondering if he used his middle name for Charles birth! And used his full name at marriage?

Charles Jones
Birth Date: 26 Nov 1863
Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1864
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: John Jones
Mother's name: Jane Jones
Archive Roll: 771



Charles Jones
1891
Robert John Jones 41 Timber merchant born Ashton under Lynne
Jane Jones 41 wife born Openshaw
Charles Jones 18 son Openshaw
John Jones 15 croston or castleton
Mary Jane Jones 12 Croston
Charlotte Eliz. Jones 8 Bootle
Ann Jane Ruddin 19 servant born Liverpool

As Charlotte has the most identifiable name I went looking for her birth so I could find her mother's maiden name on the GRO index. The only one showing 1873 +/- 1 year has the mother's maiden name Stopford!
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marknjen wrote:1891 England census
Name: Margaret A Jones
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John T Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Bootle
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country:

Household has familiar names Walter,Emily John,Joseph to name but a few !
Name Age
John T Jones 50
Margaret A Jones 39
William R Jones 22
Margaret A Jones 20
Emily Jones 18
Ada J Jones 16
John O Jones 14
Walter A Jones 10
Joseph A H Jones 9
Jessie L S Jones 8
Hugh M V Jones 2
Lilian G E Jones


Birth
1870 • Llanelly Carmarthenshire, Wales
Name: JONES, MARGARET ANN
Mothers maiden: RICHARDS
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 602 Order
I'm thinking margarets fathers side can be the only link to klondyke Jones now! Charles side leads to Manchester ! But John Thomas Jones leads to Wales!
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marknjen wrote:
marknjen wrote:1891 England census
Name: Margaret A Jones
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John T Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Bootle
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country:

Household has familiar names Walter,Emily John,Joseph to name but a few !
Name Age
John T Jones 50
Margaret A Jones 39
William R Jones 22
Margaret A Jones 20
Emily Jones 18
Ada J Jones 16
John O Jones 14
Walter A Jones 10
Joseph A H Jones 9
Jessie L S Jones 8
Hugh M V Jones 2
Lilian G E Jones


Birth
1870 • Llanelly Carmarthenshire, Wales
Name: JONES, MARGARET ANN
Mothers maiden: RICHARDS
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 602 Order
1891
74 Keble Road
Bootle cum Linacre
Class: RG12; Piece: 2971; Folio: 42; Page: 18
John T Jones 50 Dock Foreman Holywell Flints
Margaret A Jones 39 Liverpool maiden name Richards !
William R Jones 22 St Helens
Margaret A Jones 20 Llanelly Carm
Emily Jones 18 Llanelly Carm
Ada J Jones 16 Llanelly Carm
John O Jones 14 Llanelly Carm
Walter A Jones 10 liverpool
Joseph A H Jones 9 Liverpool
Jessie L S Jones 8 Liverpool
Hugh M V Jones 2 Liverpool
Lilian G E Jones 1 Liverpool
Margaret in 1871
Margaret Jones
Age 6 Months
Estimated Birth Year abt 1870
Relation Granddaughter
Mother's Name Margaret A Jones
Gender Female
Where born Llawelly, Wales
Civil parish Windle
Ecclesiastical parish St Mary
Town St Helen
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Prescot
Sub-registration district St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel 6
Household schedule number 77
Piece 3863
Folio 9
Page number 14
Household Members
Name Age
William Richards 52
Walter Richards 15
Margaret A Jones 19
William R Jones 2
Margaret Jones 6 months

1881
Margaret A. Jones
Age 10
Estimated Birth Year abt 1871
Relationship to Head Daughter
Father John T. Jones
Mother Margaret A. Jones
Gender Female
Where born Wales
Civil parish Everton
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 2 McGregor St
Occupation Scholar
Registration district West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel 43
Piece 3662
Folio 44
Page number 15
Household Members
Name Age
John T. Jones 40
Margaret A. Jones 29
William R. Jones 12
Margaret A. Jones 10
Emily Jones 8
Ada J. Jones 6
John O. Jones 4
Walter A. Jones

1891
Margaret A Jones
Age 20
Estimated Birth Year abt 1871
Relation Daughter
Father's Name John T Jones
Gender Female
Where born Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil parish Bootle
Ecclesiastical parish St John
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel 11
Piece 2971
Folio 42
Page number 18
Household Members
Name Age
John T Jones 50
Margaret A Jones 39
William R Jones 22
Margaret A Jones 20
Emily Jones 18
Ada J Jones 16
Walter A Jones 10
Joseph A H Jones 9
Jessie L S Jones 8
Hugh M V Jones 2
Lilian G E Jones 1
John O Jones

Possible marriage 1893 West Derby V 8b P 920 ( can I view this in lpool records library in town?)

1901 now married to Charles Jones
Margaret J Jones
Age 30
Estimated Birth Year abt 1871
Relation to Head Wife
Gender Female
Spouse Charles Jones
Birth Place Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil parish Bootle cum Linacre
Search Photos Bootle cum Linacre, Lancashire, England
Ecclesiastical parish St Matthew
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district West Derby
Sub-registration district Bootle
ED, institution, or vessel 15
Piece 3460
Folio 141
Page number 26
Household schedule number 154
Household Members
Name Age
Charles Jones 38
Margaret J Jones 30
Robert J Jones 3
Emily G Jones 1

1911
Margaret Jones
Age in 1911 40
Estimated Birth Year abt 1871
Relation to Head Wife
Gender Female
Birth Place Llanelly, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Bootle cum Linacre
Search Photos Bootle cum Linacre, Lancashire, England
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 15 Florida Street Bootle Lancs
Marital Status Married
Occupation School
Registration district West Derby
Registration District Number 455
Sub-registration district Bootle
ED, institution, or vessel 15
Piece 22421
Household Members
Name Age
Charles Jones 48
Margaret Jones 40
Robert Jones 13
Emily Jones 11
Matter Jones 8
Mary Jones 5
Joseph Jones
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Just remembered I have this marriage!
John Thomas Jones
Birth Year abt 1845
Age 22
Marriage Date 13 Oct 1867
Parish Toxteth Park, St John the Baptist
Spouse's Name Margaret Ann Richards
Father's Name John Jones
Spouse Father's Name William Richards
Reference Number 283 BAP/3/7
Household Members
Name Age
John Thomas Jones
Margaret Ann Richards
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