newbie needing help if possible

[mckcro]

Hi everyone,
i am doing my family tree and am stumped as to where and when my great grandfather from my fathers side, charles joseph conlon was born. According to my grans birth cert he was a private in the 7th kings liverpool regiment. I know he married jessie hanagan may 20th 1901 and was a carter, lived at 27 bolton st. I am also aware that his father was william henry conlon who was a mucician by profession but this is all i can find. It would be nice to know if charles had any sibling and also if possible his mothets name aswell as where they all came from. I have been stuck for some time and would love to trace my family further back. My dad and his siblings (mckevitt) live in marsh lane, their mother agnes conlon was born/lived in windsor road
if anyone could help in anyway i would really appreciate it.

[lily8]

Hi and a warm welcome to the Forum

I have located some WW1 pension records which I will copy for you should you like them, in short the information is enlisted Kings Liverpool regt 18/8/1914 and discharged due to no longer being fit 16/9/1915 POB St Leonards Bootle wife Jessie Conlon nee Hanagan married at Liverpool 21/5/1911(this is incorrect as I located the marriage cert) address on enlistment16 Windsor Road Bootle children Charles, Patrick, Jessie and it looks like Maria?. He is listed as 5'7" weighed 123 lbs had brown hair and was listed as Roman Catholic.

I will have a look further back in time back later

[lily8]

Hi I located another couple of marriages of what are likely siblings of Charles in particular that of Mary Ann Conlon to Charles Rutland also in 1901 she lists her address as 27 Bolton Street which is the same I think as on Charles' she lists her father as William Henry Conlon occupation soldier. Don't be bothered by that occupation as many soldiers were bandsmen or such in those days. Will have to look further afield now as if he was in the army he may have missed the census' .

[Thommos sister]

Welcome aboard to a great forum. I'm sure you will get lots of help here with your family tree.
Kind regards T.S
There is a burial for Charles J in Ford Cemetery 1946 born 1878

[mckcro]

Thanks to both tommos sister and lily8. Any help at all is much apreciated. I have details of charles death, burial and i also have his marriage cert. I didnt realise he had a sister so this is new for me.
Again thank you for your help

[Jan]

Great finds Lily & Tina.

I tried to find Charles & Jessie and some of the children on the 1911 census, no luck, but I did find a Jessie Conlon 1911 census in Walton Workhouse, status married age 29, 4 children born 3 still living, I couldn't find any of the children, Charles Joseph born 12th August 1902, Jessie 20th August 1905 (dates of birth on Charles' army papers.

Jan

[Jan]

I have been trying to locate the two Bolton Street that were in Liverpool, one off Copperas Hill and the other in Edge Hill, couldn't find the Edge Hill one on the 1901 census, but it is on the 1901 street map, now thinking back to where Charles got married (Liverpool St Simon) I think that was in St Vincent Street, near Copperas Hill.

I did find the Liverpool Bolton Street (near Copperas Hill) in 1901 but nobody by the name of Conlon living at 27 Bolton Street.

Jan

[lily8]

Well done Jan, I saw the workhouse one and looking at it again I think perhaps Jessie may have been in the hospital section as after going through all of that record 100's there seems to be no sign of the children in with her as would be the case if she destitute.
I looked at the Hanagans in case they were with grandparents or other family but no luck as yet. Can only think that the name is mis transcribed. There is a death record for a William Henry Conlon back later with details.

[lily8]

Possible death cert would suggest getting a copy of this one:::
WILLIAM HENRY

Last name
CONLON

Gender
Male

Birth day
-

Birth month
-

Birth year
1846

Age
41

Death quarter
4

Death year
1887

District
WEST DERBY

County
Lancashire

Volume
8B

Page
397

[lily8]

I followed up on Charles' sister Mary Ann Rutland nee Conlon and it would seem that you would have a few relatives from her marriage here is the census circa 1910


Charles E Rutland

Age in 1911:
32

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1879

Relation to Head:
Head

Gender:
Male

Birth Place:
Liverpool

Civil Parish:
West Derby

County/Island:
Lancashire

Country:
England

Street address:
22 Dalton St Lpool

Marital Status:
Married

Occupation:
Licened Porter (ontside)

Registration district:
West Derby

Household Members:
Name
Age


Charles E Rutland 32
Mary Ann Rutland 29
Agnes Rutland 12
John Rutland 10
Charles Rutland 7
Victor Rutland 3
Albert Rutland 1

[Jan]

Great info Lily,

I found another marriage (could possibly be another sister for Charles)

Name: William Rodaway
Birth Date: 1872
Age: 25
Spouse's Name: Agnes Conlon
Spouse's Birth Date: 1876
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 24 Jan 1897
Event Place: St. Mary'S, Edge Hill, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Henry Rodaway
Spouse's Father's Name: William Henry Conlon
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00902-7 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1545767 , Reference ID: it 5 p 205

I found William Rodaway and his wife (Listed as Annie) on the 1901 census, and living with them were Charles Conlon age 23 (transcribed as Conlow on ancestry) and another brother Patrick (age 14) listed as brothers in law to William Rodaway.

I also found this baptism on liverpoolhistoryprojects website.


Year-Ref Church Volume (page) Year of Birth Year of Baptism Forename Surname Forename of Father Surname of Father (if different) Forename of Mother Maiden Name of Mother For Full Details of this Baptism
1887-1145 SACRED HEART 282-SAC-1-3 (8) 1887 1887 PATRICK JOSEPH CONLON WILLIAM HENRY JULIA WOODS

Also this marriage

Name: Patrick Joseph Conlon
Birth Year: abt 1887
Age: 22
Marriage Date: 6 Jun 1909
Parish: Liverpool, St Jude
Spouse's Name: Catherine Henry
Father's name: William Henry Conlon
Spouse Father's Name: Francis Henry
Reference Number: 283 JUD/3/4

On Patrick's marriage cert it lists his father as deceased but no occupation given.

Jan

[lily8]

Good one Jan so plenty of possible relatives for our poster now to find the Conlon family a bit further back good to have Charles identified 1901.

[Jan]

Thanks Lily,

Another baptism (in Latin) but Sadly Florence died about a year later.

Name: Florentia Conlon
Birth Date: 10 Mar 1885
Baptism Date: 28 Mar 1885
Parish: Oratory of St Philip Neri, Lancashire, England
Father's name: Gulielmi Conlon
Mother's name: Juliae Woods

Jan

[Jan]

Found this on the familysearch.org site


William Conlan
mentioned in the record of Charles Joseph Conlan
Name: William Conlan
Gender:
Male
Wife: Julia Woods Conlan
Son: Charles Joseph Conlan
Other information in the record of Charles Joseph Conlan
from Ireland Births and Baptisms
Name: Charles Joseph Conlan
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 18 Dec 1877
Birthplace: Dublin, Ireland
Father's Name: William Conlan
Mother's Name: Julia Woods Conlan
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01194-7 , System Origin: Ireland-EASy , GS Film number: 255998 , Reference ID: v 2-2 p 621

Jan

[lily8]

Possible marriage of Julia Woods and William Conlon
First name(s)
Julia

Last name
Woods

Registration year
1871

Registered Quarter/Year
1871

Registration district
Dublin South

Volume
2

Page
833

County
-



Julia Woods married one of these people
Patrick Reilly, Patrick Caffrey, William Conlon, George Allen

A copy of this marriage record would be a very valuable source of further information

[lily8]

Possible death record for Julia Conlon nee Woods

Julia Conlon

Birth Date:
abt 1858

Date of Registration:
Jun 1938

Age at Death:
80

Registration district:
Crosby

Inferred County:
Lancashire

Volume:
8b

Page:
667

[Jan]

Another great find Lily.

I found this info on FMP. Charles J Conlon joined the KLR in December 1895. on the second image he names his mother and a brother and sisters, also an address in Liverpool, I will try and find out what it says. Sorry I can't put the full image on, it would be too big.





I think the address is 9 Netley Street West Derby Liverpool
Jan

[Jan]

Charles' older brother William Henry baptism

Name: William Henry
Gender: Male
Christening Place: 117, CORK NO 1 NORTHEAST, THE CITY OF CORK, IRE
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1871
Birthplace: Cork No 1 Northeast, The City Of Cork, Ire
Father's Name: William Henry Conlon
Mother's Name: Julia Woods
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70147-2 , System Origin: Ireland-VR , GS Film number: 255838 , Reference ID: 2:26SV5BG

There is a bit more info on the army papers, his sister Agnes' address 26 West Street Liverpool.

Jan

[Jan]

1901 census Has Charles Rutland at 26 West Street with his wife Mary Ann (Nee Conlon)

at 33 West Street was William Rodaway wife Annie (Agnes) nee Conlon that is where I found Charles and his brother Patrick as mentioned in another post.

Jan

[Jan]

I think I have cracked this now.

Julia Conlon I think she re-married in 1889 to Daniel Duggan


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1888
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CONLON Julia DUGGAN Daniel Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/198/53

1891 census, 3 Minshull Street

Daniel Duggan head married age 34 iron dresser born Ireland Cork
Julia wife age 34 born Ireland dublin
Agnes Conlon dau age 16 born Wales
Charles Conlon son age 13 born Ireland Dublin
Patrick Conlon son age 4 born Liverpool
Julia Duggan dau age 2 born Liverpool

Ancestry has the whole family as surname Duggan

Julia Duggan the daughter married in 1906 to

Name: George Frederick Rutland
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 26
Birth Date: 1880
Marriage Date: 2 Oct 1906
Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father: Charles Edward Rutland
Spouse: Julia Duggan
FHL Film Number: 93942
Reference ID: p42 No84

Her sister (Mary Anne's brother-in-law)

Jan

[lily8]

The Irish marriage cert copy is very cheap to purchase about 4 euros just let us know if you need any help to do so.

Jan good finds

[Thommos sister]

To Jan & Lily, wonderful wombating, I'm sorry I haven't caught up with this post but with Batman & Robin on the case you didn't need me!!
Brill.

Tina

[mckcro]

Lily and Jan thank you very much for your help.
My next move is to order some certificates. I was wondering though is it easy enough to trace relative from Ireland as the majority of my family, both sides, seems to come from Ireland at some point. I also want to continue to see how far back I can trace the conlons
sam

[Jan]

Hi Sam,

It is getting a bit easier to search Irish records on line now, more and more records are becoming available.

I found this

Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. JAMES

Marriage of GULIELMUS CONLAN of SHIP STREET BARRACKS and JULIA WOODS of JAMES ST on 16 February 1871



Husband Wife
Name GULIELMUS CONLAN JULIA WOODS
Address SHIP STREET BARRACKS JAMES ST
Occupation N/R N/R
Father PATRICIUS CONLAN JOANNIS WOODS
Mother N/R N/R
Further details in the record
Witness 1 G FINLY GULIEMUS
Witness 2 MARGARITA CONWAY

I think NR means not recorded

I found the info on this site http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 32d0445158

I am sure that Irish civil registration began in about 1854/55, so anything before that, it would be a case of looking through parish records, but a lot of Irish records were destroyed in a fire about 1922.

Hope that helps.

Jan

[Jan]

I found Charles' baptism on the same site (in latin)

Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. JAMES

Baptism of CAROLUS JOSEPHUS CONLAN of RICHMOND BKS on 10 January 1878

Name CAROLUS JOSEPHUS CONLAN
Date of Birth 18 December 1877
Address RICHMOND BKS
Father GULIELMUS CONLAN
Mother JULIA WOODS
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 PATUTUIS WOODS
Sponsor 2 CATHERINA BALPH

Jan

[mckcro]

Thanks again Jan.
I would like to order charles' birth certificate and the possible marriage certificate of William henry as I am not sure that he would have got married in 1871 if he had a child born in the November, maybe child was a honeymoon baby. How do I go about ordering the irish certificates as I would like to get William henry's birth certificate too.
sam

[lily8]

Hello again here is a photo of the Ship Street Barracks where I guess William was posted at the time of his marriage I will get the details of how to order the certificate.



Details of certs::

https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-f ... cates.aspx

[mckcro]

The Irish marriage cert copy is very cheap to purchase about 4 euros just let us know if you need any help to do so.

Jan good finds

Hi there,
i was hoping that you could help me order the marriage cert please
sam

[lily8]

Hello again the following gives details re purchase of certs I listed the reference numbers in prior post above if you have any problems just let us know.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil- ... at-do-i-do