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Postby joansgirl » Sat May 04, 2013 9:38 pm

where do i start :/ im trying to find out my mothers other siblings

family name HANNAH

my nan apparently had 19 !! children

LILLIAN HANNAH married RICHARD HANNAH

names i know

gerrard hannah passed away 1990
mary hannah trajic circumstance (train ) kirby
george hannah passed away 2003
rachel hannah passed away 2011
thomas hannah family history killed by father got this info !!
lillian hannah never met but heard she passed away




nan was born and married in west derby i think as thats the only clue ive got

lived in

137 pennard avenue west derby
61a peel road bootle moved there approximately 1945 /6

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Postby lily8 » Sat May 04, 2013 9:59 pm

Hi JG can you give an approx date of marriage? births after 1912 on FREEBMD will show mothers maiden name.
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Postby glossybonce » Sat May 04, 2013 10:19 pm

Hi Joansgirl

Pennard Avenue is in Huyton, the houses were built there in about 1950 or just after the war, I know a internment camp was built there during the war.
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Postby Jan » Sat May 04, 2013 10:19 pm

:D

Hi JG,

Could this be the marriage 1919?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1919
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HANNAH Richard GREEN Lillian West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/357/180

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Postby glossybonce » Sat May 04, 2013 10:42 pm

Hi JG

Found an article regarding the manslaughter of their son in 1957, I will sent you it in Private Message.

It confirms they did have 19 children.
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Postby Jan » Sat May 04, 2013 10:42 pm

Here is a list of names from 1918 Hannah - mother Green

I see there is a set of twins listed!

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
Hannah Gerard C Green Liverpool 8b See D/32

Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Hannah William T Green W. Derby 8b 612
Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
Hannah Richard G Green W.Derby 8b 613
Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
Hannah Jane Green Birkenhead 8a 813
Births Mar 1922 (>99%)
Hannah Lilian J V Green W.Derby 8b 676
Births Dec 1922 (>99%)
Hannah George F Green W.Derby 8b 629
Births Dec 1923 (>99%)
Hannah Vincent L Green W.Derby 8b 621
Births Mar 1925 (>99%)
Hannah Eileen M Green W.Derby 8b 813
Births Jun 1926 (>99%)
Hannah Norman Green Burnley 8e 317
Births Jun 1927 (>99%)
Hannah Rachel Green W.Derby 8b 772
Births Dec 1927 (>99%)
Hannah Nancy Green Liverpool 8b 359

Births Sep 1930 (>99%)
HANNAH Dorothy Green W.Derby 8b 772
HANNAH Veronica Green W.Derby 8b 772

Births Sep 1931 (>99%)
Hannah Francis Green Burnley 8e 170
Hannah Peter Green W.Derby 8b 814
Births Sep 1932 (>99%)
Hannah Richard Green W.Derby 8b 737
Births Dec 1932 (>99%)
Hannah Gerard C Green W.Derby 8b 707
Births Mar 1934 (>99%)
Hannah Kathleen Green W. Derby 8b 764
Births Dec 1934 (>99%)
Hannah Thomas Green Bootle Lancs 8b 508
Births Dec 1935 (>99%)
Hannah Winifred Green Liverpool N. 8b 686
Births Sep 1937 (>99%)
Hannah Mary Green Bootle Lancs 8b 480

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Postby Jan » Sat May 04, 2013 10:50 pm

Also

Births Mar 1940 (>99%)
Hannah John Green Bootle Lancs. 8b 640

Name: Joan Hannah
Mother's Maiden Surname: Green
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1943
Registration district: Prescot
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 936

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Postby glossybonce » Sat May 04, 2013 10:59 pm

Hi Jan

Well Done, good finds :D

Do you think the Burnley births are maybe another family?
The father Richard Hannah was age 61 in 1957 giving approx birth year of 1896, just incase the poster wants to go further back.
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Postby Jan » Sat May 04, 2013 11:21 pm

Hi Glossy,

Yes I think the burnley births are a different family.

There are also two Gerard C Hannah listed different years

Richard G Hannah born 1921 died 1921.

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Postby Jan » Sat May 04, 2013 11:25 pm

:(

Gerard Charles Hannah death reg

Name: Gerard Charles Hannah
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1918
Date of Registration: Nov 1990
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 36
Page: 1113

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Postby Thommos sister » Sun May 05, 2013 6:45 am

Gr8 work wombats!!

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Postby lily8 » Sun May 05, 2013 6:47 am

Good work Girls :D
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Postby joansgirl » Sun May 05, 2013 11:05 pm

HANNAH FAMILY TREE
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dob Hannah Mary 1937 Bootle (Lancashire) Lancashire



dob Hannah Thomas 1934 Bootle (Lancashire) Lancashire
DOD HANNAH Thomas 1957


dob Hannah Rachel 1927 West Derby Lancashire


dob Hannah Joan 1943 Prescot Lancashire

dob Hannah Vincent L 1923 West Derby Lancashire

dob Green Lillian 1910 West Derby Lancashire

dob Hannah Gerard C 1918 West Derby Lancashire


dob Hannah George F 1922 West Derby Lancashire

DOD Hannah George Francis 1996 Birmingham Warwickshire



dob Hannah Richard G 1921 West Derby Lancashire
dod hannah richard 1967 Dudley age 70
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Postby joansgirl » Sun May 05, 2013 11:06 pm

dob Hannah Richard G 1921 West Derby Lancashire ( GRANFATHER )

dob Green Lillian 1910 West Derby Lancashire (GRANMOTHER )

FAMILY

DOB Hannah Joan 1943 Prescot Lancashire (MOTHER )

DOB Hannah Gerard C 1918 West Derby Lancashire (UNCLE )



DOB Hannah George F 1922 West Derby Lancashire ( UNCLE )

DOD Hannah George Francis 1996 Birmingham Warwickshire


DOB Hannah Vincent L 1923 West Derby Lancashire NOT KNOWN

DOB Hannah Rachel 1927 West Desrby Lancashire (AUNT )

DOB Hannah Thomas 1934 Bootle (Lancashire) Lancashire
DOD Hannah Thomas 1957
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Postby joansgirl » Sun May 05, 2013 11:14 pm

so far jan and everyone :D the info about tom is correct ive already had that :D but been told there another print out in a liverpool paper but cant find it :/


some of the details are correct and some still confusing

rachel hannah
dorothy hannah
veronica hannah

have same code does that mean registered at the same time ?? :/

angie x

hope you get this its like playing hide and seek with these messages i leave lol :D
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Postby Jan » Sun May 05, 2013 11:19 pm

Hi Angie,

I have found that a lot of the children died at very young ages, most of them buried in Ford, sadly the twins Veronica and Dorothy died within 4 months of their births.

There are a few others, and one in Yew Tree.

There is a Vincent Laurence Hannah born 1923 also buried in Ford age 11 months in 1924, 17th September, his address was 61 Anglesey St Bootle, grave public 1405

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Postby joansgirl » Sun May 05, 2013 11:34 pm

hi jan :D brilliant work from you all :D ::D

thanks for your help speaking to mum today she said that there where babies who died so young so sad :(

one was actually born in the hospital toilet and died on impact of hitting toilet bowl because they didnt believe nan was ready to deliver
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Postby joansgirl » Sun May 05, 2013 11:44 pm

hello :D jan

i was wondering why they where so young !!! will have to pay a visit to ford cemetary next time im up the pool seems alot of the family are there ive been looking in bootle

i know nan , mary, and tom are in bootle

makes me wonder because i had the same in oct 1990 just before uncle gerard passed away !! nov my little girl was 3 months old and they said it was genetic !! (didnt know what it meant at the time ) but i didnt know of any in the family mmmm :/


interesting findings team thanks !! :D
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Postby Jan » Mon May 06, 2013 12:07 am

Hi Angie,

The graves are public graves, so there won't be any headstones.

I think I have found at least 8 of the children that died.

It may be worth getting one of the children's death certs for the cause of death.

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Postby joansgirl » Mon May 06, 2013 12:14 am

confused about the burnley registration but will look into this :) could be lillian greens ( nans ) siblings !!! child also the liverpool registration as the rest where west derby :/

but the rest seem about right for the years 1918 / 1943
as mum was the last born :D


lol will think about doing the greens the hannahs was complicated enough :D


thanks again JAN , GLOSSY BOUNCE , AND EVERYONE !! :D
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Postby Thommos sister » Mon May 06, 2013 10:09 am

Thanks Jan and Glossy for caring for Joansgirl, such a sensitive post.
All those babies, just so very sad.
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Postby Sheelagh Tequila » Mon May 06, 2013 11:57 am

I just knew you girls would come up trumps :D
Great work as always, I,m sure Angie must be really pleased.

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Postby joansgirl » Tue May 07, 2013 7:26 am

Hello Sheelagh thanks for giving me advice where to get help and I'm absolutely thrilled :D with all the help I got from the girls :) I will keep you informed with my progress Jan :) making some calls today so will let you know how things go :) Angie PS how do I put an avatar on profile pic ?? Angie x
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Postby joansgirl » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:12 pm

hi :) ladies back again hope everyones ok :D ive been doing some enquiring about mums siblings ive had an emial from a family member with a family tree :) whoop whoop getting there lilly8 :D

queerie if any one can help would appreciate it :D

marriage registration for st james church chestnut grove

lillian green
richard hannah

lilly8 i cant find the ino you sent to me :( about the dates of the children who had decesead twins
dorothy and veronica born 7/11/1930 where actually buried in the hospital grounds but dont know which hospital ??

im assuming bootle

children born to richard and lillian

rachel 3/12/1927
gerard 17/8/1918
william 20/6/ 1919
richard 26/11/ 1920
lillian 12/10/1921
george 20/11/1922
vincent 25/10 / 1923
eileen 2/9/1925
vincent ??
john??
dorothy 7/11/ 1930
veronica 7 11/ 1930 twins
peter 26/3/ 1931
kathleen 11/11/ 1932
winnifred 26/11/ 1933 died in the hospital hit head on toilet bowl delivery
tom 3/11/ 1934 dod 26 /12/1957
mary 5/6/ 1937 dod 1960 ???
joan 12 /11 /1943

addresss i have for nan is 25 beech st kirkby but she lived in bootle in 1957 in 71b peel road

hope you can help :D

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Postby joansgirl » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:21 pm

names ive found in the family tree
swansons grandads side
greens grandads side
perrin nans side of family
kavanaghs nans side of family
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Postby joansgirl » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:30 pm

lillian married richard hannah in
st james,s church on 11/5/ 1919

richards parents
william hannah and maria swanson

lillians parents
charlie green and sarah elizabeth perrin they married in the same church 11/1/ 1889
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Postby lily8 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:57 am

Hiya Mate not sure where you are at with this one I am having some computer problems getting into some programs so really can't do a lot at the moment (going in for a service next week) found the marriage if that's any help::

HANNAH, Richard

Registration district:West Derby

County:Lancashire

Year of registration:1919

Quarter of registration:Jul-Aug-Sep

Spouse's last nameGreen

Volume no: [?]8B

Page no: [?]1185


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Name:GREEN, Lillian

Registration district:West Derby

County:Lancashire

Year of registration:1919

Quarter of registration:Jul-Aug-Sep

Spouse's last name:Hannah

Volume no:8B

Page no:1185
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Postby Thommos sister » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:54 am

Hi Joansgirl, welcome back. I know you have lots of info, just to say there's a tree in Ancestry they have Richard died aged 70 yrs in 1967 Dudley Staffs.
Born 52 Bala St 8.6.1896.

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Postby joansgirl » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:24 am

Yes that's the same Richard Hannah ( my grandfather) got this info thanks thommos :) he moved to Birmingham on his release. I was trying to find out where Baal st is would that be in Bootle??? As iinformation I had was he was from Bootle and his occupation before working on the docks was a cobbler in Bootle industrial school??
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Postby lily8 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:42 am

Hi I hope this is your grandad seems to fit as to dob etc. On further looking I am 99% sure it is yourGt Grandad, there are several records for his voyages usually between Liverpool and East Coast USA.

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Postby lily8 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:29 am

This is likely the Marriage of Richard in 1896 note the name is Swanton that maybe an error.


Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)

Hannah William W.Derby 8b 683
Rooney John W. Derby 8b 683
Swanton Mary W. Derby 8b 683
Wilter Ellen W. Derby 8b 683
Witter Ellen W. Derby 8b 683
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Postby lily8 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:05 am

Just an interesting thing a Rachel Hannah married a Conteh in Liverppol 1947 and they had a child John born 1951 (he was later to find fame as a very well known Boxer) just wondering if there is a relationship to the Rachel in your tree????
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Postby Thommos sister » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:21 am

I hope it's him Lily, smashing photo also interesting about the Conteh conecction.
No luck with Baal St.
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Postby lily8 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:50 am

Hi Teens a pound to a penny it is Bala street Bootle one of the welsh streets
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Postby Thommos sister » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:47 am

Of course Lily, thank you mate, 134 Irlam Rd to Bangor St in 1938 Directory, only 2 houses occupied, both shops.

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