Edwin H Johnson

[lily8]

Hi Glossy well done so did they have offspring????

[Jan]

Well done Glossy,

So the death regi I found must be the right one in 1930.

Jan

[lily8]

That was a good find Jan, just reading through all the posts on this one, hope I am reading it right so it would seem they were married for 7 years?????

[glossybonce]

Yes married in 1923....cant find any kids on the posts maybe iv missed them. She had kids with Johnson the cleaner

[Thommos sister]

Great wombating yet again everyone.
So GRU contact was correct
T.S

[Thommos sister]

Hi Jan
see your census 20th Feb & the will on 21st

Had reply from GRU
Her grandfather, who also went to Merchant Taylors,
was John Mowbray Langley
father George Edwd mother Edith Maud Johnson
d/o Alexander Johnson
She married George in W Dby 1895.
In 1891 census she is with parents aged 17
father solicitor 76 Rawson Rd, the address on the will.
Contact was correct when she said her gt gt grannie was 1st cousin to the 8 kiddies of Margt & Edwin snr.
1901 41 Ashdale Rd Waterloo
George is in an Insurance Office, Secretary Fire & Accident
Edith, little George 5 & baby John M 3 months.
1 servant.
(Trivia: George's mother was Charlotte Mowbray Langley)

Back soon, something not right in 19@@ census

T.S

[Thommos sister]

19##
John M Langley 10 with his Langley grandparents.
No Edith M listed.
There is a death Edith Maud Langley 30yrs (correct)
Nantwich 1904.
No George Edwd listed
There is a death for him correct age 31yrs 1905 W Dby.
How sad......
(Perhaps Edith was in one of those homes in Ches for T.B??)
Now I just have to find little George Alan .
Got him he's with his Johnson grannie Annie Eliza 60 wid
he's got a sister Alice Vera 8yrs, aaarrggh
George 15 is a junior clerk
3 Gordon Ave Waterloo
Will have to find out more from my contact.

T.S
Merchant I'm wondering if George A went to the school??

[Jan]

I was going over some of the posts and I had found the marriage for Maud to George E Langley.



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I think we can rule out Edith Maud marrying her cousin, I think she married George E Langley in 1895.


Jan

[Jan]

Edith Maud Langley left a will, dated on anc 1930.

Jan

[Thommos sister]

Hi Jan
I can't believe the will took so long from her death date? to 1930??
She died 1st April 1904 and was living at 45 Edleston Rd Crewe.
Robert Kirkham bank clerk got the money.
Strange??

T.S

[Merchant]

Just logged on to have a look at developments over the last couple of days. Wow! feeling a bit stupid for lingering at that graveside several days ago. I suppose this just goes to show you can't make any assumptions until they have been proved 100% correct. So, Edwin dies in an asylum in 1930. This is intriguing. The first thing that occurred to me was that Edith was unlucky to have had two husbands die on her! Then I wondered what happened to Edwin. He is a successful solicitor, comes from a family which is already affluent with the timber business, marries into even more money in 1923, lives in just about the nicest part of Blundellsands, is captain of Bootle CC in 1926, yet by 1930 he is dying in an asylum in Kent. What went wrong for him? You know what they say - money doesn't buy you happiness. I must say when I saw the photos of him in the cricket team he looked as if he had the troubles of the world on his shoulders.

Do you think the hospital now located elsewhere will have any records about his death?

Also, I will have to write to the contacts Jan gave me again. I assume we have the right Johnson, just got the wrong date of death. I haven't heard from them yet - they were probably confused by the fact that I'd got some of the story wrong the first time I wrote.

Merchant

[Jan]

I think the daughter Alice Vera married George Goodburn in 1930

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1930
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LANGLEY Alicia V GOODBURN George Crosby, St Luke South Sefton A10/3/233

There is a death for Alice Vera Goodburn registered in Newport 1980 DOB 26 Jan 1903.

Jan

[Thommos sister]

Morning All
Yes Jan, Alice V did marry Geo Goodburn.
I've had reply from contact, what a lovely lady!!
Alice V lived most of her life in Waterloo, Oxford Rd and had children.
1938 Directory Geo is a clerk & they are at 3 Gordon Ave Waterloo.

I was right about Edith Maud, she died from T.B
Husband went to Canada, he died there also from T.B.
George's body brought back & both of them are buried in St Lukes graveyard with Alexander.
John Mowbray Langley had 11 children, he joined the R.N after school, served in the Battle of Jutland, HMS Tiger.
He was also on the ship which brought Shackleton's body back to Sth Georgia.
(perhaps took the body to a burial place as he died in Sth Georgia buried there at his widows request)
Merchant, Hi
Contact would like to know if Alexander & Edwin snr also attended Merchant Taylors please, for her family profile.
Yes, for all the wealth amongst all the members of the combined families, they certainly had a lot of sadness.

T.S

[lily8]

Great reading and finds everyone

[Thommos sister]

George Alan Langley, eventually settled in Chicago.
Departure Lpool to New York aged 27yrs clerk
25.6.1921 aboard "Cedric" White Star Line.

(s/o Edith Maud & George)

T.S

Added later: (Ellis Island)
On this ship George was a Seafearing Officer & had a wife at home
1 Grenfell Rd Lpool, he was in transit to New Orleans.
1923 he is in the crew list aboard the Celtic.

Looks like he married Sarah Ann Kelly in 1916
She is aboard the Scythia arr 16 Sep 1924 going to husband
248 West 15th St New York.
Edith 7, Gerard 4.

[Thommos sister]

Hi Jan
Interesting Obit about Alexander in the Mercury.
I can't manage to copy/paste it.
Please could you have a look, it's Sat June 3rd 1893.

It appears Alexander was a very fit and active man who had a sudden and painful liver disease.

Tks

T.S

[Jan]

Morning Tina,

More great finds, great wombating,

Here is the info from the newspaper 3rd June 1893



Jan

[Thommos sister]

Thanks so much Jan, I really felt his obit needed posting here.
He was well respected, intelligent and worked his way up to earn respect.
Aside from this, he obviously was a fit and well man.
Perhaps he played cricket too??
Maybe liver cancer as he was in a lot of pain & died within 7 months.
Just guessing.

T.S

ps I've just had some good news, the Aussies world cup match is on now as I write instead of waiting until 11pm.

Tara from me

[Merchant]

Hi folks, the most exciting news this morning and just what I had been hoping for. Got a phone call from Thomas Sands Johnson's granddaughter. She was so pleased to have been contacted. She confirmed that she did not know Edwin therefore he must have died in 1930 as we had most recently concluded. She actually said that she had no idea that her grandmother had married twice. She was very interested in the cricket aspect and is a member at Hampshire CCC. Most brilliant of all, however, is that she told me her brother lives in Formby and when she rang him to say she had got my letter he said he knew all about Edwin and will be able to give me lots of information. He is going to contact me soon and we will meet up to talk about it all.

So, thanks to all of you for working all this out for me. I am so thrilled that we have been able to get right to the finishing line with Edwin - after all those twists and turns and a couple of dead ends. I will of course keep you posted about what I discover when I speak to the gentleman in Formby.

Merchant.

p.s. to answer the question about whether Alexander and Edwin senior went to the school - I'm not sure. If they did it would have been before 1878 when our full written entry records begin. I will ask my colleague who keeps all the ledgers to have a check. 1878 is the year the school moved to its present site.

Thanks a million Jan, TS, Lily, Glossy and everyone else who has contributed or just shown an interest. As well as all the posts on this the thread has been viewed by loads of other people too. I hope you've all enjoyed the journey. Looks like you are all still piecing together more bits of the wider jigsaw of the family too.

[Jan]

Hi Merchant,

Wow what fantastic news I am very pleased that you got a response from Thomas Sands G daughter, I am delighted that she and her brother have been located.

Great work everyone.

See you soon.

Jan

[lily8]

That is terrific news so pleased that you guys got a great result on this one-well done to you all your "Bloods worth bottling"

[Thommos sister]

Thank you Merchant for thanking all our wombats
Very much appreciated.
Terrific contacts for you.
I did ask my contact about any kiddies to Edwin jr & Edith.
I'll let you know.
Thanks for info re Merchant Taylors' re Alxndr & Edwin, will pass it along.
She did say that John Mowbray Langley may have also attended the school, next time you look at registers. Thanks.
Good luck & fingers crossed.

T.S

[glossybonce]

Hi Peeps
Great News and Great Team work

I really enjoyed this one

Well done everyone.

[Thommos sister]

You're right G.B
It's great team work that makes the difference!

GRU contact said John Mowbray Langley went to visit George Alan in Chicago at the time of the St Valentines Day massacre 1929.
George was an officer with the Harrison Line & a Temperance man
(not too popular with Al Capone & Co hey??)
George never return to England.

Back on page 2 we have Lois (d/o Clara) who married John B Hepburn.
1938 Directory
John B Hepburn & Co Ltd
Motor Engineers, 48 Bridge Rd Blundellsands
Jn B Hepburn, Consulting Marine Engineer
48 Moor Lane Gt Crosby.

T.S

we haven't looked for Alxndr & Edwin's bro Wm H, the PLUMBER!!
He was probably worth a few bob too if he charged at todays prices

[Thommos sister]

1891 7 Carlton Rd Liscard
Wm H 41 plumber & painter bn Sephton
Mary C 40 bn Warrington
1 domestic servant.

1881 he's listd as Wm Hy Johnson 32 bn Sefton, plumber
Mary C 30
4 Waterloo Rd Litherland

T.S

[Thommos sister]

Lovely Sunday everyone

I won't pursue Wm Hy as he had no offspring.

Alexander's two sisters died.
Eliza aged 24yrs and Mary J aged 41.
They are buried in Sefton churchyard.
With them is Alexander's daughter Ethel aged 9 months.

With all that happens, you often see a couple of oldies like Jane & Joseph survive it all, they are also buried with the above.
1891 census
he's 81 & she's 79 at Sandy Rd.
He's a retired gardener, so hard graft didn't do him any harm.
Jane dies aged in 1898, Joseph 1893 aged 83yrs.

T.S

[Thommos sister]

See Merchants post 24.2. re death of Herbt H Johnson

1938 Directory
Herbt H Johnson 15 Ilford Ave Gt Crosby
no occupation listed.

In the same post there is a mention of Henry Holme Johnson schoolteacher who is still at 22 Ilford Ave in 1938 Directory.
He was the son of the Edwin & Harriet that Jan had found on page??
There was a widowed Aunt Jane Holme with them.
I think I need a cup of G.B's coffee

T.S

[Merchant]

Hi everybody - thought you might like to know that I have been in email touch with two of Thomas Sands Johnson's grandchildren. Both were very interested and willing to help. Apparently Edwin was in failing health for some time and in 1927 went to Australia to try and recuperate, accompanied by his stepson. (Are they on any passenger lists?) He died not long after returning, as we know in 1930. I'm not sure whether they knew where he died so I told them about the Cassel hospital and I will await a response on that. I have asked them to give me any further snippets on Edwin and whether their father or grandmother ever told them anything about him.

In the meantime I see you have been busy trying to trace more direct descendants through Edwin's siblings. I need to spend some time updating my notes just to comprehend all that.

Also been in touch with Crump family - see other thread.

Thanks again, Merchant

[lily8]

Great to hear you have made contact.

[glossybonce]

Hello
I have been checking uk incoming passenger lists.....sorry no joy

[lily8]

Had a look also GB could not see anything also.

[Thommos sister]

Good news Merchant!
My contact said the Johnson offspring are still very much involved in the business today.

Ada Hannah Johnson (see 1911)
1908 died 1927.
buried at Sefton.

Interesting Thos B.S Johnson arriving from Buenos Aires with his wife, married her in the same part of West Riding that Edith came from!

Undated photo of Cassel Hospital where Edwin died

[glossybonce]

Looks more like a hotel than an hosp.
T.S which business are they still involved with Johnson's the cleaners or Johnsons the timber merchants?

[Thommos sister]

Hi G.B
I don't know she didn't say but I'm replying to her today about a few other things.
T.S

[Thommos sister]

Hi G.B
Have replied this arvo and have also copy/pasted your post with the burials at Anfield/Necropolis. Thank you for finding them.

T.S

added
Wondering if Edwin H also had T.B & that's why he went to a dry climate in Australia??