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UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Mack » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:16 am

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UK Election - 8th of June 2017.

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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby john j connell » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:54 am

Can't wait, off to vote before i go to work and then do what i always do when there is a general election, book the Friday off work so as that i can stay up throughout the night watching the results come in, hooked on it. JJC.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Invicta » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:53 am

Such great graphics these days but I miss the " swingometer " and Peter Snow's enthusiasm. :D Ken
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Bernie R » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:38 am

To the tune of teddy bears picnic

When you go down to vote today let's hope there's a big surprise.
When you go down to vote today please don't believe the lies.
Cos a vote for May's the worst thing to do.
If you're not rich they'll treat you like poo.
Today's the day we all have to vote for Labour!!!

Nicked this off a FB friend! :wink:
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Invicta » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:13 am

Just about sums up Labour , Bern, Fairy Tales :D K
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Sheelagh Tequila » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:54 am

That`s so funny Bernie :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Eddy Lloyd » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:09 am

Voted.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby BossHogg » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:15 am

I won't be voting, they're all as bad as one another, one wants to cut my wages, another is an IRA sympathiser and the third wants to open the borders to even more refugees and goodness knows what. Everyone else can vote and then they can all blame each when it goes wrong. ;)
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Shelagh » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:24 am

Bernie :lol: :lol: :lol: (how apt, never a truer word spoken :wink:

Away at the moment, but still going to watch as the results come in!
Such a lot hanging on these results...
More warheads to kill more people :(
or more hospital beds to save more people :)

Answer lies with the British electorate :wink: :)
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby bjones » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:28 am

BossHogg wrote:I won't be voting, they're all as bad as one another, one wants to cut my wages, another is an IRA sympathiser and the third wants to open the borders to even more refugees and goodness knows what. Everyone else can vote and then they can all blame each when it goes wrong. ;)


Please Tom make the effort and go to the polling station. Write clearly, at the bottom of your slip "none of the above". Make NO mark at all against any of the names. Your slip should then be counted as a Protest Vote; non attendance is generally regarded as voter apathy.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby bjones » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:54 am

Well I've been and done it.... proved that this leopard can't change it's spots :(

As I've said on here before this was the first time in my life I had doubts about how to vote.
Lies and sillyness on both sides, Jezzer living in cloud cuckoo land and May losing cred by refusing to go head to head in debate.....so I decided to stop thinking about these so called leaders and the country as a whole and and looked instead at my local candidates.
Since being elected the present incumbent has been hugely involved in the move against fracking in the Dee and has fought hard for our local hospital and the NHS in general.
The previous MP lost her seat by only 417 votes which suggests that her party has it all to play for...... to date we've had no canvassers and only one leaflet from that party. We've had canvassers twice from the sitting MP's party..... so my decision was based on which candidate I thought gave a stuff about their own voters.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby lily8 » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:57 am

I have watched this election and noted all the posts on it, I retain a great interest in UK politics as I have close friends and family and indeed in the future may spend several months in the UK bi yearly or yearly so will affect me to some degree. Many of us on the Forum have been long removed, be it by hard work or luck from the poverty and lack of opportunities that our forebears suffered. However I for one have never been unaware of the plight of the genuine poor, disadvantaged or others who suffer in our society be it in Australia the UK or anywhere they deserve our compassion and help.
I have worked in a senior management role and advocated when the company faced hard times a tiny reduction in salary (which would mostly have been offset by the tax bracket) to save some frontline jobs, and was disgusted when most blokes voted against that. I suppose it goes back to my childhood when we really DID CARE and even today we still do to a degree as I have witnessed many times in our life particularly in Cyclone times here in Queensland when people came out of the woodwork to help God Bless them. So even if you are disenchanted with the parties have another think and vote for the party you think show hope for those less fortunate perhaps than you or I. Please vote (whatever your convictions) our forebears fought so hard for that right (not the least of the women) against those affluent people who thought the working class should not be allowed that right. Sorry to rave on but in my defence it is a subject that I am passionate about, blame my suffragist ancestors.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Invicta » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:54 pm

Our Polling Station had 30 waiting to vote when they opened ( before train to London )
Polling has been brisk all morning probably ahead of the poor weather forecast for later.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby henry » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:35 pm

Vote with your heart because we owe it to the working men and women who battled for generations to win us the rights we enjoy today.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby tom91 » Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:02 pm

anyone who thinks the parties are "all the same " must have been living in a cave for the last 6 week.
Now more than ever we have clear blue water between the main parties.
sadly from my point of view we will not see a change of Government but then that's probably not a surprise given that its just 12 months since the ludicrous decision to support Brexit.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby bernie johno » Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:03 pm

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... s-13155556
with a shooting here every couple of days this is worrying times
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby miv donelan » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:14 pm

Well said Lily, I agree with every word. Steady stream at our polling station. Four candidates, but only received leaflets from the Labour candidate. Good luck to her.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Glenys » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:40 pm

Not had any canvasers (sp?)knocking at our door......................................
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Invicta » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:08 am

Morning All
It seems everyone has been up all night and still in bed so I'll start the ball rolling.
Cons still the largest party but a disastrous night for Mrs May, her gamble backfired and she should go.
Mr Corbyn led from the front and made considerable gains and deserves to be congratulated.
Lib Dems rolled back and lost Nick Clegg but that wily old fox Vince Cable got back.
SNP lost heavily but still largest party in Scotland , they lost big hitters Salmond and Robertson, GOOD!
Greens remain with one seat with the fragrant Ms Lucas
UKIP lost all round with Mr Nuttall coming third in Boston & Skegness.

Where does that leave us ? - A hung parliament so trouble ahead and another election by the end of Summer , I reckon.

I actually can't think of anyone in the Conservatives to lead after May, no obvious candidate comes to mind, Fallon, Hammond even our local MP Greg Clark but hopefully not Boris.

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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:28 am

According to the USA our Boris has one thing going for him...his haircut. But also, like the one they have, he is a buffoon.

May should stay on as she is the only one who can negotiate Brexit, albeit now hampered to our detriment.

Jeremy is similar to Mr Wenger. He expected to lose 5 -0 but only lost 2 - 0 so he thought he had won. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby filsgreen » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:42 pm

Yes, Mr Corbyn did not actually win the election, but it was certainly a symbolic win for him, and I have certainly not heard him state that he had won the election. The tide is turning, and to force a hung parliament after being given no chance a month ago by his many detractors, makes his success that much more sweeter. He has certainly cemented his position as leader of the Labour party. Once again, the Conservatives will have to get into bed with another party, and we all saw how that ended up last time. I think Ken is right and there will be another election in the Autumn and Mrs May will not be the candidate.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Invicta » Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:05 pm

Getting in bed with the DUP shouldn't be too difficult Phi, most of them are more Tory than the Tories :( K
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Eddy Lloyd » Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:35 pm

Corbyn needs to get rid of his former bed mate Abbott if he wants to win the next election
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Invicta » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:01 pm

Eddy , someone must like her. Her majority is now one of the biggest in the Commons, just increased by 11000 giving her 75% of the vote in North Hackney & Stoke Newington. Typical East End of London, large "ethnic" vote. K
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby graham01 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:05 pm

always use the postal vote so i dont miss in case i have to work late.i think the next election will be in september.good to see the youth vote increase.was not a big fan of jeremys but he has come on in leaps and bounds and comes across as a good leader,could be pm before we know it.graham..
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby paulmack » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:03 pm

The Tories may hang onto office with the support of the bigots of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) in Northern Ireland.
But who are the DUP?
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby BossHogg » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:46 pm

Corbyn is not without sin, he is a known PIRA sympathiser. A lot of ex servicemen such as myself have long memories, it made my flesh crawl when I saw him fawning over Adams and McGuiness. :evil:
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby paulmack » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:14 am

May and McGuinness.

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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby paulmack » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:19 am

The DUP can't vote on English laws (due to the EVEL law passed in 2015) this meant the Tories only have a majority when it comes to Brexit and the DUP promised a soft Brexit in their manifesto (due to the border with Ireland). This means the Tories can't vote through their manifesto without the consent of other parties MPs (and it looks like a lot of their own MPs will vote against anyway).
if it becomes evident they can't pass bills then there will be a vote of no confidence and there will be another election (hence Boris getting ready to oppose her)
technically there can't be a coalition with the DUP due to the peace agreement and our promise of neutrality, so there is a "supply of consent"- so the Tories are a minority government.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby BossHogg » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:21 am

To be perfectly honest, they're all as bad as one another. ;)
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby paulmack » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:31 am

Quite right.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Mack » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:42 am

As the moderator on our Bootle Forum I always avoid posting biased views and always try to remain impartial in any discussions (I think everyone knows my political leaning).

This is worrying though if a coalition is formed by the Conservatives with the DUP...

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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Invicta » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:45 am

The first item on Mrs May's agenda should be to sack any of her close, personal, advisors involved in the manifesto . Then she should fire the stategists involved in the election campaign.
Actually, when I think about it, she shouldn't have to do this, she should have already resigned herself. :wink: Ken
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby Ernie Jackson. (Bunty) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:20 am

Don't you think that the team who are negotiating BREXT should still do so. It which case any resignations should be delayed until a deal is reached. I can't see anyone else better qualified that TM for this particular hurdle. Of course she will now be more vulnerable but who else would you want to do it??

It is now very possible that the Nation as a whole still wishes to leave and I have a theory that the election result was as a result of an In of out protest.
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Re: UK Election - 8th of June 2017

Postby filsgreen » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:53 am

BH. How did you feel about Mr Mandela being a remember of the ANC, before he became a statesman, after being released from prison? My point being, is that Mr Corbyn may have been an IRA sympathiser in the 80"s, but can't he be afforded the same clemency as Mr Mendela?

The election result did not demonstrate the 'whole country's" desire to leave the EU, Ernie, if that was the case, we would have a Libdem government this morning, as they practically guaranteed it in their manifesto.

According to the political commentators, it was The youth vote that identified with Mr Corbyn's manifesto, which led to the Conservative debacle.

Yes, it's possible that the youth did not want a hard Brexit and voted for Labour, as they said they would prefer a soft Brexit. Listening to BBC 24 NEWS yesterday, the consensus was that the election was nothing to do with Brexit.

On that subject, why would EU Brexit negotiators respect Mrs May in any negotiations? She displayed neither leadership or debating skills in the election campaign, unless of course she pre-orchestrated it.


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