Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Your place to talk about your Bootle memories

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby filsgreen » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:50 pm

You dig up done great murder stories, Joe. Sad for the victims though, thanks.
filsgreen
 
Posts: 1965
Joined: Sun May 12, 2013 8:28 am

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby fatboyjoe90 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:05 pm

Thanks Phil. :wink:
Cheers Joe.
User avatar
fatboyjoe90
 
Posts: 2847
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Location: merseyside

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby everliver » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:52 am

Joe thank you great murder stories again so sad for the victims of the crimes.

Keep them coming, Joe

Regards Bob
everliver
 
Posts: 206
Joined: Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:20 am

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby smoked out » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:21 pm

I once caught a bit of a murder story with a local connection of sorts and could not it later for the rest of it , a woman murdered in freshfield on a farm owned by the marsh family , peter marsh connection being the baggy in canal street bootle , any knowledge about that one.
Here for entertainment
smoked out
 
Posts: 1092
Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:38 am

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby Shelagh » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:47 am

Interesting case Joe, and all so close to home..
Mary's house, Gordon Avenue, just over the road from me.
Plots where Mary's body found, later to become tennis courts, these where behind houses on Brooke rd. almost opposite Brooke Hotel!
Would have been very dark and desolate in February 1920, (bad enough now) Mary would have had to walk alongside dimly lit railway path to reach friends house in Park View, either that, or across railway on Brooke rd. no modern houses built in area at that time, so very dark and isolated!
For whatever reason, secret liaisons got out of hand, resulting in a murder and a suicide..so tragic for all concerned!!

Thanks for the story, Joe!
Shelagh
 
Posts: 1805
Joined: Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:40 pm

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby fatboyjoe90 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:39 am

Thanks for your comments Bob and Shelagh. :wink: :)
Smoked sorry I couldn’t find anything out in that case. :(
Cheers Joe.
User avatar
fatboyjoe90
 
Posts: 2847
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Location: merseyside

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby fatboyjoe90 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:41 am

The Flat Iron Murder not posted.
When a man battered the caretaker of a block of flats to death with an iron he continued to sleep next to her body every day for eighteen days.

On 18th March 1950 police officers forced their way into a locked basement flat at 6 Victoria Road in Waterloo due to the caretaker, Catherine Cassidy, not having been seen for a few weeks. They found the decomposing body of Miss Cassidy slumped in a chair and a copy of the Liverpool Echo newspaper, dated 28th February of that year.

The next day officers detained a 68 year old man named Charles Kimmance at Alexandra Dock. As he was approached he said 'I know what its for, its for Miss Cassidy, I can stop worrying now'. At the station Kimmance, who had been lodging with Cassidy for about two years, made a full confession to killing her with a flat iron and admitted having slept there every night for a fortnight afterwards knowing she was dead.
Image
Alexandra Dock image by Sue Adair.

When Kimmance appeared at a committal hearing on 13th April he saluted the examining magistrate. A pathologist confirmed that the injuries were consistent with being hit with an iron and that the blows had been very severe. A detective said that Kimmance hardly stopped talking as he was being taken to the police station after his arrest.

On 14th June Kimmance appeared at St George's Hall where Dr Francis Brisby from Walton Gaol that he was prone to impaired mental capacity due to a seizure that was suffered five years earlier. A consultant psychiatrist from Walton Hospital said his brain was capable of violent reactions and at the time of the killing, he would not have known that what he was doing was wrong.

A statement was read out from Kimmance that he had made on his arrest. It said that he had been concerned about Cassidy's drinking and when he tried to seize a ten shilling note from her she hit him with a piece of wood. It went on to say 'The blood went to my head, I got a flat iron and smashed her on the head with it. She said something and I clouted her again. Every night up to two nights ago I went back to her but she was just the same'.

Kimmance was found guilty but insane and ordered to be detained during the King's pleasure.
Cheers Joe.
User avatar
fatboyjoe90
 
Posts: 2847
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Location: merseyside

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby Shelagh » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:04 am

Thanks Joe, poor woman, what a death, sounds like the murderer got a fair hearing!
Didn't realise St Georges court was still in use at that time!
So many murders around Liverpool - worse than Midsomer :(
Shelagh
 
Posts: 1805
Joined: Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:40 pm

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby filsgreen » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:18 am

Ta Joe.
filsgreen
 
Posts: 1965
Joined: Sun May 12, 2013 8:28 am

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby fatboyjoe90 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:17 pm

Thank you for your comments, Phil and Shelagh, they are much appreciated. :wink: :)
Cheers Joe.
User avatar
fatboyjoe90
 
Posts: 2847
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Location: merseyside

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby fatboyjoe90 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:35 am

Baby Buried in Aintree
A servant suspected of suffocating her newborn baby and burying him in the garden was charged with murder, but instead convicted only of concealment of birth.

On the morning of Thursday 7th September 1865 Mary Banks, the 45 year old wife of a farmer in Old Roan Lane (now Aintree Lane), noticed that her servant Eliza Molyneux no longer appeared to be pregnant. When Mrs Banks saw the state of seventeen year old Eliza's room she challenged her but she denied having given birth.

Mrs Banks sent for Dr Irvine to examine Eliza, but she then admitted having given birth to a stillborn male child which was now buried in the garden. The doctor searched the garden and found the body, while a police officer was called to apprehend Eliza.

A postmortem by Dr Irvine established that the baby had been alive when born and death was as a result of suffocation. This was believed to have been caused by a pebble that was found in the throat that could not have got their accidentally. The mouth was closed and the body had been lying face down, two feet underground.

The inquest took place on 9th September at the Blue Anchor Inn and returned a verdict of wilful murder. The coroner, Dr Driffield, then committed Eliza to the assizes for trial.

On 14th December Eliza was indicted only for concealment of birth, the Grand jury having thrown out the bill for murder as they believed the evidence did not conclusively show that Eliza had killed the baby, or that it had ever been alive. After pleading guilty she was sentenced to twelve months imprisonment.

She was lucky to get away with that. :shock:
Cheers Joe.
User avatar
fatboyjoe90
 
Posts: 2847
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Location: merseyside

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby filsgreen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:54 am

Thanks for the story, Joe, she was indeed lucky to only get a year in jail.
filsgreen
 
Posts: 1965
Joined: Sun May 12, 2013 8:28 am

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby fatboyjoe90 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:06 pm

Thanks for that Phil. :wink:
Cheers Joe.
User avatar
fatboyjoe90
 
Posts: 2847
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Location: merseyside

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby fatboyjoe90 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:09 pm

Woman Kills Sister in Law in Fight
When a two sisters in law had a fight in Gascoyne Street one died after hitting her head on the pavement, leading to the other being convicted of manslaughter.

Image Bevington Street

Around midnight on Monday 14th August 1865 Jane Goodier returned to her home at Bevington Street, which she shared with her husband who worked as a labourer. When asked how there was a large amount of her hair missing she said that she had been drinking at her brother's home in Gascoyne Street and that his wife, Alice Vallally, had 'licked her.'

Two days later Jane had two fits and was confined to bed. Her condition gradually grew worse and she died on the Saturday. The previous day, police had apprehended Alice and charged her with dangerous assault.

At the inquest, held before Mr P F Curry, evidence was given by Elizabeth Lloyd, Jane's step daughter. She had been to Bevington Street on the evening in question and saw Alice hit Jane with a shovel after Jane had helped herself to some broth. She then described how Alice then jumped on top of Jane and pulled some hair from her head, egged on by her husband, Jane's brother. Elizabeth said she helped Jane get up and they left the property to go home, only to be chased by Alice.

A man named John Mitchell said he had seen Alice attack Jane in the street and helped the victim to Eldon Place. The last of three blows, he said, led to Jane hitting her head on some paving stones and becoming dazed. A neighbour of Alice's named Jane Robertson told the coroner that she had seen the two women fighting in the house, but that Jane had threatened Alice with a knife and thrown a jug at her before leaving, leading to Alice chasing after her.

Dr Samuel, who conducted the postmortem, was of the opinion that Jane had died from head injuries as a result of hitting her head on the paving stone after the fall. This led to the jury returning a verdict of manslaughter and Alice was committed to the assizes on a coroner's warrant.

At the assizes on 14th December Alice was found guilty of manslaughter but recommended to mercy by the jury. The judge, Mr Baron Pigott, told her there had been a great deal of provocation and as she had already served four months on remand, imposed a sentence of just one month in prison.
Cheers Joe.
User avatar
fatboyjoe90
 
Posts: 2847
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Location: merseyside

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby Shelagh » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:55 pm

How hard it was for people back then, imagine fighting over a bowl of broth, then ending up with a murder :shock:
Desperate times, difficult to deal with!
Thanks for the story, Joe :)
Shelagh
 
Posts: 1805
Joined: Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:40 pm

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby fatboyjoe90 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:07 pm

Shelagh, you're right it seems so pointless fighting over a bowl of broth, as you say it’s very hard to imagine. :wink:
Cheers Joe.
User avatar
fatboyjoe90
 
Posts: 2847
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Location: merseyside

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby lynne99 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:26 pm

My family lived in Gascoyne street in the 1860s so would have been living there then. It is a very short road, but when you look at how many houses and courts they packed into it, it must have been a very poor area and a bowl of broth might have been all the food they had. :(
lynne99
 
Posts: 929
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:55 pm
Location: Rugby

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby everliver » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:14 pm

Joe really enjoy this post some of the facts to the murders please please keep them coming.

Regards Bobby
everliver
 
Posts: 206
Joined: Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:20 am

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby fatboyjoe90 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:27 am

Thanks for your comments Lynne and Bob. :wink: :)
Cheers Joe.
User avatar
fatboyjoe90
 
Posts: 2847
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Location: merseyside

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby fatboyjoe90 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:29 am

Boy's Body in Kit Bag

Shortly after the outbreak of World War 2 a seven year old boy was murdered in Liverpool, with the killer putting the body in a kit bag and dumping it under his bed.
Around midday on Saturday 16th September 1939 seven year old John Terence Court went out to play in Everton Road with his younger brother. The pair soon got separated after John was last seen talking to an eighteen year old mess-room steward named Robert Dillon, who was known to them both.
Image.
Everton Road

When John's mother and father were told of this they went to Dillon's home in Godfrey Street (situated where Everton Children's Centre now is) and were told by him that he had brought their son there and sent him away with some cigarette cards. Mr Court then reported John as missing, while Dillon went to the cinema.

At around 9pm that evening Dillon's mother was in his bedroom and noticed a large seaman's kitbag under his bed and asked what was in it. He immediately confessed to his crime, saying 'I'm sorry mum I went mad.' She informed the police and Detective Sergeant Hooley attended, finding several cuts on the neck of John's body. When he asked Dillon why he had done it he replied 'I don't know what made me do it, I lost my temper, I did not mean to do it.'

Dillon was taken into custody and when he appeared at the police court on 2nd October to be committed for trial a statement was read out from him. This stated that Dillon put his hand over John's mouth as he was looking at some cards. When the boy starred to wriggle, he punched him, then stabbed him in the neck and chest. Dillon had then stripped the body and put it in a bag, before washing the knife in the bathroom.

On 1st November Dillon appeared at the assizes, where two doctors gave evidence that appeared to indicate he did not know what he was doing. One described the attack, which resulted in twenty stab wounds, as frenzied and the other said it was during a fit and he was unaware of his actions. However, in summing up Mr Justice Stable said that if Dillon was not in control of his mind at the time, then he should not have been in a position to provide such a detailed statement in relation to the circumstances of the killing. After an hour's deliberation, the jury returned a verdict of guilty.

Dillon, who was described as 'dull and backwards' in syndicated press reports, showed no emotion as he was sentenced to death. However, on 27th November the verdict was quashed at the Court of Criminal Appeal and the verdict substituted with one of 'guilty but insane' leading to Dillon being detained at His Majesty's Pleasure.
Cheers Joe.
User avatar
fatboyjoe90
 
Posts: 2847
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Location: merseyside

Re: Murder - Crimes - History - Bootle and North Liverpool

Postby everliver » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:32 am

Joe Thanks again interesting stories very hard times in them days.

Bobby
everliver
 
Posts: 206
Joined: Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:20 am

Previous

Return to Talk about the History of Bootle here

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest